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TMT Work to Resume Says Ige!
Mitch Roth is a politician. In my cynical world, acts by politicians almost always involve some calculation of the political risk vs. benefits. Roth got into office by a margin of 125 votes (two tenths of one percent of the vote) in an election where 7285 blank votes (11.4% of the total) were cast. That is a pretty large vote for "none of the above." He may be miscalculating that risk vs. benefit ratio in this case.

My problem with hooponopono in this case is what HOTPE begins with in the post above, which is that it traditionally is a family dispute resolution method. I've done several searches and found no validity for this in relation to Hawaii criminal law. In such a scenario, all affected parties (or their representatives) would have a place in the process. Of course the arrested protesters will be there, as likely will be their leaders and lawyers. Who is going to represent the citizens who are aggrieved by the disregard for the TMT's scrupulously followed legal process? Or more in line with the underlying concept of cultural respect, who will represent those whose personal beliefs and spirituality are trodden upon by the protesters? Mitch Roth? No, thanks. He has taken an oath to uphold the laws of the United States and the State of Hawaii. So how is this process supposed to be justice? Is this a way to establish a defacto parallel legal system for Hawaiians without the bother of getting the law changed? If anyone knows of a legal code or law allowing hooponopono in criminal cases, please correct me, and I will rethink this.

Now before some of you jump all over me, let me say that I don't think the first round of arrested protesters should all be thrown into prison or anything like it. There should, however, be a process which follows the law. If the judge wants to hand out probation, token fines, or community service, no problem. When they took up civil disobedience, a time-honored Western tradition, they knew they were engaging with a Western legal system. In a lot of non-Wesstern countries, they would still be in jail awaiting trial without bail . . . that is if they ever got a trial. So now the rules might be changed for their benefit. I don't think this is a good idea.
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Who is going to represent the citizens who are aggrieved by the disregard for the TMT's scrupulously followed legal process?

My sentiments exactly, thank you for pointing this out.

Its not so much that I care if these specific people are punished for their specific crime - its more about setting a precedent of ignoring our own laws. Where does this begin or end? It clearly illustrates the 'lawlessness' or 'wild west' outlook that so often is used to describe puna - but this time is becoming ever so clear to exist on the county and state level - not just in puna.
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It clearly illustrates the 'lawlessness' or 'wild west' outlook that so often is used to describe puna

Maybe those confronted by a legal situation in our neck of the woods can request HooPunaPono.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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Two Hawaii County police officers fresh off one weeks duty on Mauna Kea, get thrown from the frying pan into the fire. Their first call is a homicide, a domestic disturbance with shots fired.

After arriving on the scene they discovered the wife had shot her husband for walking across her freshly mopped floor. they called their sergeant on his cell phone.

"Hello Sarge."

"Yes?"

"It looks like we have a homicide here."

"What happened?"

"A woman has shot her husband for stepping on the floor she had just mopped."

"Have you placed her under arrest?"

"No sir. The floor is still wet."
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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excellent comments, Chunkster!
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FYI: (Live Feed) OHA Board of Trustees is currently discussing the BLNR rules being proposed, in order to take a position:

http://www.oha.org/

ETA: Update

The BLNR is meeting tomorrow to consider emergency rules to restrict access to Mauna Kea. OHA will be submitting testimony that OPPOSES items C-1 and C-2 of the BLNR meeting agenda. If you are interested in providing testimony, the meeting will be held at the Kalanimoku Building (1151 Punchbowl Street, Honolulu, HI, 96813) at 9:00am tomorrow.

View OHA's testimony here :
OHA's opposition to C-1: http://bit.ly/1HgCcer
OHA's opposition to C-2: http://bit.ly/1UHwrj4

BLNR Agenda for the July 10th meeting: http://1.usa.gov/1RnjHPs
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There's a nicely written article by a friend and colleague, Will Montgomerie, in the Honolulu Civil Beat if anyone is interested:

http://www.civilbeat.com/connections/the...es-beyond/

"There are very few things for which humanity will put aside our differences, our politics, the lines we draw on our maps, in order to work together, collaboratively, productively and selflessly. Giant telescopes, designed with the sole intent of providing us with the ability to observe, study and understand more about the unquantifiable vastness that is our known universe, represent an example of these rare efforts."
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Good read. I will take an inclusive, unified, inquisitive view over an exclusive, hereditary privileged, dogmatic mindset any day.

My only complaint (a gentle one), I just wish Mr. Montgomerie didn't feel the need to explain or qualify the value of his opinion in regard to birthplace or, though somewhat indirectly, hereditary background.



Quotes from above Civil Beat article I find notable:

Carl Sagan -

"Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light."


William Montgomerie -

"In my opinion, the reason is traced back to a quintessential spirit of exploration, seemingly ingrained in humankind since the beginning of our existence."

"But the knowledge and understanding that we gain from astronomy have taught us something very important — that there is always a bigger picture."

"...there is plenty of support for the notion that exploration of the universe can directly benefit how we understand and care for ourselves and this pale blue planet."
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MK rangers' log since March. Interesting reading:

https://lintvkhon.files.wordpress.com/20...y-2015.pdf

It's available via this KHON news article:

http://khon2.com/2015/07/09/uh-details-s...-protests/
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http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news...e-protests

"Creative interpretation" (otherwise known as "ignoring") of the rules is a tradition also practiced by State:

In early June the newspaper asked why DLNR was not enforcing laws prohibiting camping on the mountain. ... After several back-and-forth emails, Kekoa Kaluhiwa, first deputy director of DLNR, suggested the department "minimize" its response by simply stating that, "The area is not permitted for camping. Both state and county officials are monitoring the situation."

A bit of old-fashioned "buck-passing":

Later that month, Redulla wrote that Deputy Attorney General William Wynhoff had informed him that he believed the Land Board has the authority to close the state-owned portion of the roadway in the interests of public safety and health. However, he warned that the Hawaii County prosecutor’s office would "have to be willing to accept arrests that are made under the authority of such a closure."

The "emergency" rulemaking has some "collateral damage", and of course those people feel they're being unnecessarily persecuted:

http://westhawaiitoday.com/news/local-ne...strictions

"Every hunter goes in there with a backpack..."
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