Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access

[leilanidude]

I really don't have any opinion about good/bad of TMT. I do have opinions about indigenous people and their fate when they're overrun with newcomers.

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That has happened for thousands of years. Won't be changing anytime soon.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Here's the article where I found most of the information.

This seems to be the only article by the author on the web. With so little experience, it's hard to know how factual her claims are, and where she found her source material. There's no background listed about her, and no footnotes.

W.M. Keck Observatory on Mauna Kea rented out viewing time at $1 per second
If there was a business opportunity available where you could make $1 per second, don't you think there would be privately funded telescopes being built to rake in the profits?

The contested case hearings are open to the public and will continue Sep 26 and 30 in conference room A in the Komohana Building at the UH-Hilo College of Tropical Agriculture.
This was in 2011. Where were the protestors when these hearings were held?

[Newgirl]

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That has happened for thousands of years. Won't be changing anytime soon.

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True, but I'll be rooting for the underdog.

[Newgirl]

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If there was a business opportunity available where you could make $1 per second, don't you think there would be privately funded telescopes being built to rake in the profits?

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Umm, didn't that happen? What I read is that the University was approved for one telescope, and yet built quite a few more without much consultation with locals, which was the reason why there is distrust in the first place?

[MarkP]

A 7 year permit process during which the locals declined to participate is not "not much consultation with the locals". Also, there is distrust because certain parties thrive on conflict. If this issue were miraculously resolved to their satisfaction they would seek out another operation to throw a monkey wrench into to get their fix.

[Newgirl]

I wasn't referring to the TMT, but rather the telescopes that came before it.

Don't know about the rest of your opinion...maybe. Everyone's prone to complaining about one thing or another.

[PunaMauka2]

"Also, there is distrust because certain parties thrive on conflict. If this issue were miraculously resolved to their satisfaction they would seek out another operation to throw a monkey wrench into to get their fix."

i can vouch for the likelihood of MarkP's statement here, having had more than enough close contact through family members with a segment of the Puna brand of this genre of activist-minded social circle, extending back to the anti-geothermal tribulations of the early 90's. it's not uncommon that activism in it's more fervent forms will consume a person's outlook and manifest itself in the form of identity issues ranging on the obsessive side.

[PunaMauka2]

"True, but I'll be rooting for the underdog."

Newgirl, this really is a simplification, perhaps a bit romanticized, and seems to be edging towards black and white thinking. i understand you are new here on the island and i don't mean it as a slight in itself by pointing that out. maybe you don't yet realize how integrated the cultures and people are here as the historical norm. and by integrated i mean it oftentimes being in the most literal sense. as you make friends out there in the community, try ask their family background/s (after establishing an appropriate and comfortable rapport, of course). you may be surprised.

[Newgirl]

It was an over simplification, mea culpa. Being an Okinawan myself, I'm familiar with the multitudes of integrated cultures here. But the vibe is still Hawaiian (which admittedly maybe for the benefit of tourists, but it's pervasive). But I will make it a point to ask people their opinions.

[faroutsider]

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Originally posted by PunaMauka2

"Also, there is distrust because certain parties thrive on conflict. If this issue were miraculously resolved to their satisfaction they would seek out another operation to throw a monkey wrench into to get their fix."

i can vouch for the likelihood of MarkP's statement here, having had more than enough close contact through family members with a segment of the Puna brand of this genre of activist-minded social circle, extending back to the anti-geothermal tribulations of the early 90's. it's not uncommon that activism in it's more fervent forms will consume a person's outlook and manifest itself in the form of identity issues ranging on the obsessive side.

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Sarah Palin would vouch for it too! So must be true!!! LOL. Btw, total misuse of the word GENRE. It's all about respect, keep it up, you're hilarious.