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Originally posted by TomK
Gypsy, I have no idea why you would put a question mark at the end of that sentence. You have shown no respect whatsoever, even going as far as suggesting astronomers on Mauna Kea are carrying out illegal activities. If you want respect, it requires you to show respect as well, which requires you to stop making baseless and insulting insinuations about others.
I second what TomK stated above. Gypsy's rambling posts frequently show a lack of respect for astronomers. In addition, he asks questions that could be easily answered if he bothered to do a Google search or read the numerous documents pertaining to the TMT that are publicly available.
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Originally posted by opihikao
Tired of all this infighting based on misunderstanding and lack of factual information (at times).
Talk about a pot calling a kettle black. You have a lot of nerve to state
"there is lack of factual information (at times)." I've called you out on several occasions posting incorrect information on this forum. This was after I followed up my sources, who validated that your information was suspect. In addition, I've spent a lot of time reading the various documents pertaining to the TMT, so I'm very confident that whatever I've posted here is 100% accurate.
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Oh, "kettle", we all believe what we believe. 100%. (lol) Have a nice day, Aaron.
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I have a question about the diversion of springs on Mauna Kea. If you look at this map:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Island...92f9d78134
all of the blue lines are streams, their source from springs emanating under Mauna Kea. The mountain is covered with springs and streams. The water diverted from a spring that's discussed in a post above, near Pohakuloa, is miles away from the summit of Mauna Kea and at a much lower altitude.
What does this stream have to do with the TMT? Is there something special about this spring, that makes it different from the dozens if not hundreds of other springs on the mountain that would cause it to be discussed at a meeting about the TMT?
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
I have a question about the diversion of springs on Mauna Kea.
What does this stream have to do with the TMT? Is there something special about this spring, that makes it different from the dozens if not hundreds of other springs on the mountain that would cause it to be discussed at a meeting about the TMT?
There is no connection between this spring and the TMT. The lady who mentioned this had a concern about this diversion. She was testifying about these rules changes, so she also brought up her additional concerns because it related to Mauna Kea. However, the diversion of this water seemed to happen awhile ago, according to this You Tube video posted previously. It was done to provide water for the Mauna Kea State (now County) Park.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33UgjqdlSDU [Watch around 2:30 mark]
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hey TomK,
Saw you quoted me, hope you know I am in support of the TMT. One thing I wonder is how many of the protesters drove up their sacred Mauna in vehicles spewing exhaust? Not trying to be snarky, but I always found that a bit ironic.
May take you a tad more seriously if you walked up to protest.
AKpilot
We're all here, because we're not all there!
We're all here, because we're not all there!
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As to problems with space observatories, just look to todays' comic page for a "Close To Home" moment:
http://wpcomics.washingtonpost.com/client/wpc/cl/
As to science & religion, I really do think Einstein had an amazing grasp of their interconnected roles:
"I maintain that the cosmic religious feeling is the strongest and noblest motive for scientific research. Only those who realize the immense efforts and, above all, the devotion without which pioneer work in theoretical science cannot be achieved are able to grasp the strength of the emotion out of which alone such work, remote as it is from the immediate realities of life, can issue. What a deep conviction of the rationality of the universe and what a yearning to understand, were it but a feeble reflection of the mind revealed in this world, Kepler and Newton must have had to enable them to spend years of solitary labor in disentangling the principles of celestial mechanics! "
from 1930 New Yorker article:
http://www.endlesssearch.co.uk/science_c...ligion.htm
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I don't agree to likening science to religion. I believe it devalues the true meanings of each term. In this day and age religions true intent has been unmasked. While the intent of science remains as clear as ever.
Indeed the TMT embodies this divide spectacularly.
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AKpilot - apologies for any misunderstanding, I should have been clearer. I actually agreed with your point, I quoted you as I was trying to reinforce the point you were making.
Carey - thanks for the link to the cartoon! It does make an excellent point. Some here have said the TMT could be replaced by an orbiting telescope. Not so. Firstly it would be prohibitively expensive (the James Webb Space Telescope, for instance, has already cost six times the cost of building and operating the TMT, and it's yet to be launched) and even if an orbiting telescope can be repaired in space (the JWST won't be), then there's the extra billions that would have to be spent on the space mission/s.
As for the religion and science stuff, I've always had strong opinions on this, and that's science and religion should stay strictly separate until the day someone actually proposes a testable experiment for religion. Religion is currently untestable and therefore has no part in science. That doesn't mean scientists can't be religious, many are, but it shouldn't play a part in their work. As for Einstein, as much of a genius as he was, I could also quote "God does not play dice". This came from his reluctance to accept quantum mechanics, but we now know much of modern physics is indeed based on probabilities.
