One man's stab at explaining Hawaiian History.

[Punatic007]

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Originally posted by Frank

@punatic007..."not relying on daily marijuana smoking for it"

big dam assumption me thinks...haw'n kids are practicing the education they GET...cam schools, oha, dhhl educate your childern

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Check out the TMT protesters, lots of daily smokers in that crowd.

[seekir]

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If the market doesn't offer sufficient wages, the choices are upgrade skills, or move on.

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And don't let the door bump your okole on the way out.

The dilemma here in the islands seems to be that tradesmen and other laborers are fortunate if they can pay the bills. However tradesmen and laborers are essential to a functioning economy. Maybe all of them could "upgrade," or "move on?"

[Frank]

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Originally posted by Punatic007

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Originally posted by Frank

@punatic007..."not relying on daily marijuana smoking for it"

big dam assumption me thinks...haw'n kids are practicing the education they GET...cam schools, oha, dhhl educate your childern

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Check out the TMT protesters, lots of daily smokers in that crowd.

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and how do you know?

[opihikao]

Good article. Well written opinion, and references. Mahalo.

(Ignoring some of the rhetoric, again. Geeze, Punatic007.)



JMO.

[Punatic007]

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Originally posted by opihikao

Good article. Well written opinion, and references. Mahalo.

(Ignoring some of the rhetoric, again. Geeze, Punatic007.)



JMO.

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It's my opinion Opihikao. You have yours and you have no problem writing about it. This is America and we have free speech, unlike Hawaii before statehood. Learn to respect the rights of others to also express their opinions. Debate with us, don't judge. No one is more special here, ok?

[Mtviewdude]

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it seems clear that many people in the islands are feeling hopeless in the face of the challenges they face trying to make a living and support their families. Conflict is probably an inevitable result of this sort of struggle. Gonzales points out that misinformation and hysteria make potential confrontation an even greater threat. Averting this kind of strife should be a focus of community effort in my view.

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It's one thing comparing Hawaii's economic challenges with California and New York.

Let' me ask you how does Hawaii compare economically to the independent pacific islands like Fiji, Micronesia, etc? It seems to me that Hawaii has a much broader safety net and more opportunity then most other pacific nations.

I guess I am struggling to see how Hawaii would be must better off, if it were an independent Kingdom than a US state. The children have better education, better access to healthcare, food and opportunities then their counterparts. Can someone please explain how the children would be better off?

[Sugarloaf]

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Originally posted by seekir

Posted by Sugarloaf:

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If the market doesn't offer sufficient wages, the choices are upgrade skills, or move on.

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And don't let the door bump your okole on the way out.

The dilemma here in the islands seems to be that tradesmen and other laborers are fortunate if they can pay the bills. However tradesmen and laborers are essential to a functioning economy. Maybe all of them could "upgrade," or "move on?"

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Some, not all. The market is obviously glutted with such tradesman, so of course with a Supply far out-pacing demand, the price for such labor is low. If some, perhaps 25%, left the market by either upgrading their skills, or moving elsewhere, then the system would re-gain a semblance of balance.

The problem with such desirable areas as Hawaii, is that far more people are attracted to the lifestyle and comforts thereby afforded, than the labor market can "support" - hence the glut.

[kalakoa]

far more people are attracted to the lifestyle and comforts thereby afforded, than the labor market can "support"

I'm sure the "business hostile" spot-zoning/spot-enforcement/anti-development-NIMBY situation has nothing to do with the lack of available jobs, and the lack of paved roads and broadband is just one of the many "lifestyle comforts" that attract people to the island.

[Sugarloaf]

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Originally posted by kalakoa

far more people are attracted to the lifestyle and comforts thereby afforded, than the labor market can "support"

I'm sure the "business hostile" spot-zoning/spot-enforcement/anti-development-NIMBY situation has nothing to do with the lack of available jobs, and the lack of paved roads and broadband is just one of the many "lifestyle comforts" that attract people to the island.

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Business hostility by the perennially-Democrat government is a contributor, as are the backwards ways such as "Hawaii-Time", but one can't overlook that far more "laid-backers", many if not most with marginal job skills/motivations, are attracted to the "no-winter-for-me-Thank-you-very-much" climate of Paradise.

[opihikao]

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Originally posted by Punatic007

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Originally posted by opihikao

Good article. Well written opinion, and references. Mahalo.

(Ignoring some of the rhetoric, again. Geeze, Punatic007.)



JMO.

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It's my opinion Opihikao. You have yours and you have no problem writing about it. This is America and we have free speech, unlike Hawaii before statehood. Learn to respect the rights of others to also express their opinions. Debate with us, don't judge. No one is more special here, ok?

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Yes, we all have opinions, however, CIVIL debate and discourse is always better than insulting comments veiled in opinion.

It's not what you say, it is how you say it. That is what I learned, in respecting the rights of others, punatic007.



JMO.