Does this really belong on the front page?

[dmbwest]

Come on HOTPE,

You know you wanted to say "mouth" ... LOL.

aloha,
pog

[kalakoa]

Also, nobody has total control over their body. For example,suicide is illegal. The argument that she is d9infg5 what she wants with her body is specious

How about "involuntary pregnancy due to rape/incest", same answer?

[Sugarloaf]

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Originally posted by kalakoa

Also, nobody has total control over their body. For example,suicide is illegal. The argument that she is d9infg5 what she wants with her body is specious

How about "involuntary pregnancy due to rape/incest", same answer?

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I will give you the long answer, so you can see how simple the issue is.

In any society, people have rights, but they often come in conflict with other people and their rights. Also, some rights, like the right to life, are more important than other rights, such as speech or to vote. You can't kill somebody in order to exercise you right to speech. The higher order right must always prevail when two rights conflict.

In this case, you have the right of the woman to have a degree of control over her body, vs the right of the pre-born child to live. In such a conflict, the right of the pre-born child to live, trumps the right of the woman to control her body. After all, the baby is NOT part of her, it is it's own self merely living INSIDE her. For example, a person inside your house, isn't part of your house - he or she is merely INSIDE (but not part of, your house). Unless their is a definite near certainty that carrying and giving birth to the human being insider the mother will kill the mother, the right of the pre-born child to life, trumps.

It is the right of life, on one hand, to the right of convenience on the other. The pre-born child's rights are not diminished to any degree by the circumstances which brought about its exists. Infanticide is infanticide - period.

Now if you can abort, and preserve the right of the child, well go ahead, but remember, if you kill the child, it is murder.

[imwithstoopid]

Kudos AKPILOT, if only all knew all of what they did for those who have no other options, thanks.
I'm 70+ now and remember when my mom had few places to turn to in those times of need. If not for them I've no idea what she would have done.
Yes Planed Parenthood has some problems and needs to have a closer look at, as no one or any organization is problem free.

To kalakoa, suicide shouldn't illegal, period.

To Sugarloaf,
Perhaps we wouldn't have such a problem with abortion if only the closed minded supporters weren't unable to compromise.

Those who are so adamantly against abortion should be willing to take in these unwanted babies.

Come to my old stomping grounds (Chicago) and see the end result of unfettered unprotected sex by people who don't care about the end result of their few moments of, oh joy.

Something created without love ends up unloved, and will then look for it (love) in other ways, ergo belonging to the family of the street.

Those of you who say nothing about taking in the unwanted, even worse unloved, and don't open your arms to them are absolutely the worse of hypocrites.

Want to remove this man exercising his right to say his mind. You should get together and change the parking laws, IE, limit the time allowed, or perhaps exercise the loitering law or create one.

I know he would annoy me, like the many panhandlers do. I accept his right to be there as long as he doesn't verbally or physically assault or accost anyone, he has as much a right to be there as anyone (you) does.

Don't be an sesquipedalian, Eschew Obfuscation.....

Sometimes, when I see the neighborhood children make small discoveries of their own, I wish I were a child.
With apologies to Dr. Seuss

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

I will give you the long answer, so you can see how simple the issue is.... (a lot of personal opinion)... if you kill the child, it is murder.

Except, in 1973 Roe v. Wade decided everything you stated is false.
Now that's the simple answer.

Oh, and... to keep it Hawaii: keiki.
(The best I could come up with)

[PaulW]

Sugarloaf, finer minds than ours have applied themselves to this problem and the result is that abortion is legal in this and most other civilized countries. If you don't like it, too bad!

Murder is unlawful but abortion is not, so equating the two shows you don't understand.

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Abortion is a tough decision for anyone, luckily people like Sugarloaf are here to make that decision for you.

[kalakoa]

the right of the pre-born child to live, trumps the right of the woman to control her body

Republican and Catholic. Got it.

[Sugarloaf]

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

I will give you the long answer, so you can see how simple the issue is.... (a lot of personal opinion)... if you kill the child, it is murder.

Except, in 1973 Roe v. Wade decided everything you stated is false.
Now that's the simple answer.

Oh, and... to keep it Hawaii: keiki.
(The best I could come up with)

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Roe v Wade is an unconstitutiona userpation power of the courts. Not grant of authority under the Constituion gives them the power to establish binding "precedent", they created that themselves out of whole cloth, and Congress is soon going to trim these tyrants in Black Robes back. The Founders intended the Courts to be the weakest of the three branches, not final arbiters, but then as long as they rule the way your want, all is well in Mudville. Imagine, in a Representative Democracy, with government at all levels elected by the people, 9 un-elected people, serving for Life, being the ultimate dictatorial authority. It is an abomination to Representative Democracy.

[Sugarloaf]

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Originally posted by kalakoa

the right of the pre-born child to live, trumps the right of the woman to control her body

Republican and Catholic. Got it.

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Yes, you got it ---- Utterly Wrong.


Agnostic and non-Republican. Try again, slugger.

[Sugarloaf]

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Originally posted by PaulW

Sugarloaf, finer minds than ours have applied themselves to this problem and the result is that abortion is legal in this and most other civilized countries. If you don't like it, too bad!

Murder is unlawful but abortion is not, so equating the two shows you don't understand.

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Abortion is a tough decision for anyone, luckily people like Sugarloaf are here to make that decision for you.

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As long as you can abort without violating the rights of the child, fine. But it won't be long until challenges are made on the grounds of Civil Rights violations (of the unborn child).

Abortion without killing - go ahead.

Wanton Slaughter for "parts" - a disgrace to any peoples per porting to be civilized. Isis-level barbarity.