HEI-NextEra merger approved

[kalakoa]

http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/news/loca...i-purchase

NextEra estimated the average Hawaii Island utility customer would realize a total savings of $373 over the course of five years.

$373 / 60 = a little over $6/month WOW THANKS NEXTERA

[Chunkster]

"Laugh about it, shout about it, when you've got to choose.
Every way you look at it you lose."

Helco or NextEra? What difference does it make? With one you get a bunch of good old boy connected weasels, and with the other you get Florida weasels. Weasels is weasels. The Florida bunch would likely be more efficient and less union-dominated, but would take the difference out of our hides somehow in a zero sum game. I am not, however, calling the governor a weasel. By any measure, he is too dumb to be a weasel, and out of his mental weight class in this fight.

[HiloPuna]

Chunkster ( and others)

I've actually met David Ige, spoken with him when he was a Senator, testified in front of him when was a Chair (of WAM no less). Though I supported Gov Abercrombie in the Primary I was happy to support Gov Ige in the General.
Regardless of the merits of his position on any one issue I have dealt with in front of him he has always been well informed and more than capable of processing all the available information. I don't always agree with him, but you are speaking from an uninformed, unfamiliar perspective when you refer to him as "dumb".
Of all the Governors I've met, going back to George Ariyoshi, he is the least "weasel" like . And I've met, or done more with, them all.

Speak from an informed position or risk being catorgized (unfavorably) yourself....

[Chunkster]

HiloPuna: How smart is it to allow the state to become a laughing stock by repeatedly allowing a minority within a minority to flaunt the law on Mauna Kea? And this even after supporting new regulations on top of what were already adequate laws to cover the situation. You may like him, and he may be informed on some issues that interest you, but he is a good old boy through and through, like a lot of the politicians you seem to support. Ige is a tool of the same unions and special interests that have ruled this state and kept its economy in a rut for decades.

[pahoated]

Let's see. You people hate Hawaiian Electric because it is a locally owned company with a bunch of corrupt greedy local good old boys that only care about the coin and not the customers.

Then, Nextera is a mainland owned company that is full of nothing but good old boy connected weasels.

So, is the porridge always too hot or too cold? Seems so, in Punatic asylum land. Then, you people go belly aching about how nobody outside of Puna seems to respect or listen to you, that your needs never get satisfied, even though you look like Jabba the Hut eating all of his minions. All just part of the silliness.

"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"

[kalakoa]

hate Hawaiian Electric because it is a locally owned company with a bunch of corrupt greedy local good old boys

This description fits the entire "energy industry", so it's hardly fair to single out HEI for this behavior.

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news...-effective

News flash: a consultant paid by NextEra says co-ops aren't cost effective.

Of all the Governors I've met, going back to George Ariyoshi, he is the least "weasel" like

Then Ige should have no trouble enshrining "alternative energy" rights into the State Constitution before the merger is approved, so we don't end up with NextEra lobbying for laws that say "only a grid-powered home is habitable" like they have in their home state of Florida.

Not that Code Enforcement is in a big hurry to red-tag all of Puna's jungalows, but I figure they don't need more excuses.

[RJHampton]

Chunkster and Kalakoa, you can't think much of our governor using words like "dumb" and "weasel". I was taught if you can't respect the person, respect the position they hold. You don’t spend as much time in politics as Ige has being dumb.


"Of all the Governors I've met, going back to George Ariyoshi…"

It is interesting that you mentioned his name that is where it all started for Hawai'i in terms of finding alternative energy sources.

1974 the Legislature passed Act 235 and that established the Hawaii Natural Energy Institute.(HNEI). It was a structure within the state government to oversee Hawai'i's attempt to wean itself from imported oil. It was Governor Ariyoshi who signed it on June 14, 1974.

"Then Ige should have no trouble enshrining "alternative energy" rights into the State Constitution before the merger is approved, so we don't end up with NextEra lobbying for laws that say "only a grid-powered home is habitable" like they have in their home state of Florida."

I been working on this and Chapter 196D particularly 196-10, 196,42, 235,12.5,269 269-91 relate to renewable. Start there. Since Hawai'i is outside of FERC regulation let's work on mirroring them starting with their FERC final rule792 which provides qualifying generation sources and storage facilities as an easier “fast track” to grid interconnections, avoiding the need for costly and time-consuming engineering studies! Making it easier for small generators to connect to the power grid, and including electricity storage.

Can't anyone get excited about a hydrogen fueled electricity? This is the new economy. This is why Ormat is here that is why NextEra Energy is here. Just think of the Jones Act. We could be shipping the gas not them. Our government could be selling raw materials. The things we learn could benefit our people. These technologies will create jobs and opportunities that will lead to careers in a blossoming industry for the future generation of Hawai'i's Keiki.

So if we do what we need to do now we can truly leave a legacy that says we cared, we exercised our legal rights while the time was right and gained and we won and now the merger is no more and those who want to use what they know and truly make our utilities the people's business come on let's do this. []

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

If you can't respect the position, respect the position they hold

Did you mean to say, if you can't disrespect the person, then disrespect the position they hold, as well as any position they might hold in the future?

As far as I'm concerned because of all of the nonsense Ruderman has brought, his fellow members of the senate have put him right where he belongs, in the corner contemplating his political career. Instead of taking his lickings and learning his job he is running, literally running, to his next position that he wont be able to handle. Ever hear of the Peter's Principle?

Ruderman was a political fluke and now he wants to bring his inexperience back to the Big Island and cause all kinds of pilikia on the council just like TEH would have done. Dont' make me laugh.

[PauHana]

Has anyone been following the Smart Meter controversy? Dangerous or not?
Once again who can you believe?
I suspect only a local CO-OP could or would opt out of such a system.

[RJHampton]

quote:

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Originally posted by PauHana

Has anyone been following the Smart Meter controversy? Dangerous or not?
Once again who can you believe?
I suspect only a local CO-OP could or would opt out of such a system.

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Well since you mentioned it you may find this interesting...

Developing Scandal: Federal Lawsuit Confirms Problems with FP&L ‘Smart’ Meter Installations https://smartmeternewsupdates.wordpress....allations/

If you want to know what has been going on just type in "NextEra Energy and green corruption or green mafia". Happy reading.