10-23-2015, 10:18 AM
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This website points to one of the attempts to organize the movement for Hawaiian sovereignty. There are, however, others, and there is as yet no consensus on what should be done.
Just one of many examples: some want to quash the Democrats because they are associated with the rulership, as perceived, of an occupying nation. Others want to make their plans with the assistance of Democrats, who have a history of supporting indigenous peoples as well as groups of people in poverty.
But some Republicans are now interested in making Hawaiii a Republican state, or just getting rid of a Democratic state, and some of Hawaiian royalty (putting aside the disputes over who is royalty) are strongly Republican. Others don't trust Republicans to truly care about their issues since those issues have not been prioritized in the past.
Others want to pull completely away from the US right away.
If any of this flares up, it will be sucked into the political great divide currently present in the US, and become quite a powder keg.
Readers, please note that in this post I am not favoring Republicans, Democrats, or Martians...and I am alluding to one of the *many* areas of conflict and potential conflict between various supporters of Hawaiian sovereignty. There are so many that I could spend the rest of the day writing about them.
What about the issue of people without enough Hawaiian blood (how much Hawaiian blood needed ?) who have bought property in Hawaii in good faith?
And does Hawaii, at present a full-fledged state of the US, have any obligation to function as a democracy and put sovereignty issues to a vote? Allowing only those with Hawaiian blood to vote would indeed be racist, as are all of Hawaiian blood privileges and potential privileges, really. I don't support removing all of them but if there is democracy then there has to be a limit somewhere.
What if the democracy is somehow determined to be illegal? Will the Hawaiian nation be honorable and compensate anyone they are kicking out? What about people whose families have been there for generations?
Anyway, tired of typing potential issues that could divide the already divided movement. Eventually some majority opinion will have to be formed and organized if anything official is to get done.
For now, websites conflict with each other.
Pam in CA
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Originally posted by dakine
leilanidude: What year are you desiring that those "rights" be restored to?
Now. To the rights afforded any independent sovereign people today. But for reals, I think the answer is a bit more involved than that. If you are really interested I would suggest visiting the faq page at the Nai Aupuni website here:
http://www.naiaupuni.org/faq.html
Considering that they are organizing the election of delegates and the constitutional convention itself that site is probably one of the best sources of publicly available information on the subject. Though I bet witnessing the entire convention process will be a real eye opener on the subject
This website points to one of the attempts to organize the movement for Hawaiian sovereignty. There are, however, others, and there is as yet no consensus on what should be done.
Just one of many examples: some want to quash the Democrats because they are associated with the rulership, as perceived, of an occupying nation. Others want to make their plans with the assistance of Democrats, who have a history of supporting indigenous peoples as well as groups of people in poverty.
But some Republicans are now interested in making Hawaiii a Republican state, or just getting rid of a Democratic state, and some of Hawaiian royalty (putting aside the disputes over who is royalty) are strongly Republican. Others don't trust Republicans to truly care about their issues since those issues have not been prioritized in the past.
Others want to pull completely away from the US right away.
If any of this flares up, it will be sucked into the political great divide currently present in the US, and become quite a powder keg.
Readers, please note that in this post I am not favoring Republicans, Democrats, or Martians...and I am alluding to one of the *many* areas of conflict and potential conflict between various supporters of Hawaiian sovereignty. There are so many that I could spend the rest of the day writing about them.
What about the issue of people without enough Hawaiian blood (how much Hawaiian blood needed ?) who have bought property in Hawaii in good faith?
And does Hawaii, at present a full-fledged state of the US, have any obligation to function as a democracy and put sovereignty issues to a vote? Allowing only those with Hawaiian blood to vote would indeed be racist, as are all of Hawaiian blood privileges and potential privileges, really. I don't support removing all of them but if there is democracy then there has to be a limit somewhere.
What if the democracy is somehow determined to be illegal? Will the Hawaiian nation be honorable and compensate anyone they are kicking out? What about people whose families have been there for generations?
Anyway, tired of typing potential issues that could divide the already divided movement. Eventually some majority opinion will have to be formed and organized if anything official is to get done.
For now, websites conflict with each other.
Pam in CA
Pam in CA