Cop shooting in Hilo 2 ...Tue Walmart parking lot

[Punatic007]

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Originally posted by PunaMauka2

"What Ted doesn't understand is his precious local culture is failing the kids horribly. Where were the good role models in the family and community?"...etc.



We seem to be getting carried away with the sweeping generalizations on either side, don't you think? We should be more than familiar and unsurprised by pahoated's usual bluster. Responding in kind by widely associating "locals" and local culture primarily with ingrained welfare dependency and fraud along with "ghetto" and lack of education is more of the same, a derogatory stereotype mischaracterizing a very wide swath of people. Time to grow a little?


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Same could be said about your predictable condescension. IF you think this is not a heavily welfare dependent area you live in a sweet little bubble.

Stand in line at Malama or Target and count the majority of able bodied shoppers using EBT. When children grow up in a family that thinks it deserves free groceries every day at the expense of other peoples hard earned money, what message do you think that gives the kids? Never read any studies about welfare upbringing and the theft/criminal correlation?

It's a huge problem here and yes most of the criminals are locals.

[PunaMauka2]

OK. Sorta half expect you to suddenly segue to your diatribe about the Zionist controlled media about now.

[Punatic007]

Where's the love PM2? I like you even when you are in a bad mood. Cheer up!

[MarkP]

Captain Cook had been all over the world. There was nothing unique about Hawaii as far as not understanding a foreign culture goes. By all accounts he was getting kind of loopy towards the end, destroying homes and cutting off peoples ears and such for relatively minor infractions. It is not surprising that he should have finally been killed by irate natives. However it is my understanding that he was not always like that. It is a cliche to say that he didn't understand local culture. He understood enough to make it a couple of times around the world.

It is my opinion that most native Hawaiians, despite living here, have no more innate knowledge of their ancestral culture than I have of mine. Don't go on like I know anything about my English, Irish, and German roots, and don't go on like most locals know anything about their roots. Maybe they do but it doesn't follow automatically.

[shockwave rider]

There is a great documentary out there about how Cook was pretty much going off the rails on his last voyage. He had previously had a track record of being fairly enlightened in his dealings with the people and cultures he encountered on his voyages, as well as how he treated his men, for a man of his era. But that last voyage there is a lot of documentation about how erratic and paranoid he had gotten, both with the "native" he encountered and his men.

[PunaMauka2]

I dunno, there must be something special about being a real live indigenous person that the generic masses in all their rootless existence simply cannot comprehend.

Or so it seems to go among both the self anointed and the outsider catering to such romanticism. As we have a portion of those from elsewhere who tend to indulge in sweeping derogatory generalizations, we have a portion of those who tend to overdo it in the opposite direction. Being raised in the mix it can all seem to get quite silly and naive in it's frequent exaggeration.

[reni]

"The Office of Hawaiian Affairs is who is truly to blame. Instead of educating the kids as they are legally mandated to do, they confiscated millions of dollars annually in trustee bonuses. They then created an education system set up for the elite, a small percentage of the island kids. This has caused more and more rifts within the entire local community, keeping it racial and racist.

Time to cut out the lifetime welfare benefits for people who are not disabled or we can expect more ghetto behavior. It's also time to offer excellent education to all local kids, no more divide it's 2016."

EXCELLENT POST !!! I HAVE WAITED over 30 years for the Hawaiians to realize the Office of Hawaiian Affair's COMPLICITY in keeping their own down. And I am at a loss as to why some Haoles do not see how this matters to THEM.
Aside from the issue of humanity, unnecessary struggle in any certain segment of our society creates strife for the rest. Why are Big Island Hawaiians with homeland leases being denied mortgages? Where is the Office of Hawaiian Affairs ? Can they only issue notices of non-liability ?
Yes, cut out the lifetime welfare benefits and provide them better education and financial means to purchase a roof over their heads.
Our past attempt at gently suggesting to others that trustee "Bonuses" are "out of proportion" with the needs of the people have been received by many as an "insult" to the leaders. So refreshing to read this in print !!
I am from Waianae. I still love it but each year we watched it become more militant and more unsafe. We realize that this CAN happen here........and it does not have to happen here.

[kalakoa]

Why are Big Island Hawaiians with homeland leases being denied mortgages?

Resource mismanagement by OHA/DHHL is far worse desecration than anything that might happen by allowing the TMT.

[Frank]

Why are Big Island Hawaiians with homeland leases being denied mortgages?

answer may be here...

below is an excerpt from ...http://dhhl.hawaii.gov/2015/03/08/for-the-record-star-advertiser-unexploded-ordnance/

The memo mentioned serious consequences with regard to DHHL’s ability to use funds from the Native Hawaiian Block Grant and 184-A on lands contaminated with UXO. Please elaborate. Has DHHL, for instance, been unable to expend some of those funds because of the UXO problem? If so, when did the funding problem first emerge and what have been the consequences to individual lessees? Also, what is the difference between the block grant money and the 184-A funds?

184-A funds provide a lending resource to DHHL beneficiaries on homestead lands. Both 184-A and NHHBG funds must comply with 24 CFR Part 58. West Hawaii Habitat for Humanity has a current NAHASDA contract to do home repairs on Hawaii Island. They had targeted Kuhio Village as a potential home repair area; however, since HUD’s instruction to the DHHL to stop using federal funding in these areas until a more permanent determination can be made on their “contamination” other funds are being used for the self help program. West Hawaii Habitat is in the process of identifying other homestead locations to use their NHHBG contract.

If the funding problem surfaced only relatively recently (such as within the past several years), why is that the case? Haven’t we known about the UXO issue for years?

The current administration first became aware of the issue of potential exposure to unexploded ordnance (UXOs) on Hawaiian Home Lands in October 2014 while conducting its due diligence for NAHASDA involving the processing of a simple home repair loan. At that time, HUD and DHHL met with USACE and DOH to determine the extent of the issue. The current administration was not aware that Trust lands were contaminated.

Military training exercises were conducted on the property during the World War II. The presence of unexploded ordnance has been documented by the military, however, it is unclear from our records what information, if any, was made available to the department at the time lands were transferred from the Territorial Commissioner of Public Land (CPL) to the department.

Here is what we know about the management and oversight of the Formerly Used Defense Sites (FUDS):

During World War II, both the Makuu and Waikoloa Maneuver Area properties were already part of larger general leases issued to private parties by the Territorial Commissioner of Public Land (CPL); therefore, not under the control of the Hawaiian Homes Commission (HHC).
Specific portions of the land were “recalled” from the CPL by the HHC when needed for homestead use and transferred back to the department. The HHC did not have the authority to manage its non-homestead land until 1965.
Between 1965 and 1985 the HHC had systematically “recalled” most Hawaiian home lands from the CPL (then DLNR) and created its own Land Management Division to manage these lands directly. The Kuhio Village subdivision was approved in 1952 and Makuu in 1985.
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers began community outreach to begin the ordnance remediation process in 2005 and completed clean up in Makuu in 2011 where the Corps continues long term monitoring of the site. Remediation of the Waikoloa Maneuver Area is ongoing.

[snorkle]

You guys can't discuss Captain Cook's death without knowing what really happened. Here's a short documentary that depicts the event.