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Thoughts on Big Island Launch site ?
#11
Interesting indeed. Here are a few articles from past efforts:

Circa 1988

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-04-05/n...big-island

Hawaiians Are Hustling to Get Spaceport on Big Island Site
April 05, 1988|LEE DYE | Times Science Writer

NAALEHU, Hawaii — A barren, wind-swept point near this small community will be transformed into the nation's first commercial spaceport during the next few years if the state of Hawaii has its way.

State officials from the governor down are aggressively courting the international space industry with a multimillion-dollar program aimed at paving the way for companies to come here and build whatever they need to launch small payloads into orbit.

The proposed site would offer the unique advantage of being the only prospective spaceport in the nation where it would be possible to launch payloads into either polar or equatorial orbits, a flexibility that could save the launch industry millions of dollars in the years ahead because they could use the same facilities for a wide variety of launches.

The state is spending about $6 million on feasibility and environmental studies, plus limited site preparation, but the goal is to get commercial companies to actually build the facilities for their own use.


Then, in 2013:

Government officials have been eyeing Ka‘u for a spaceport as far back as the 1960s.

But the latest proposal — revealed by Rep. Cindy Evans, D-North Kona, Kohala, at a community meeting last week — may be a hard sell, particularly in a county where the top executive wrote the legal brief that brought down the last spaceport plan.

“I’m supportive of astronomy, the University of Hawaii, new science technology,” Mayor Billy Kenoi said Tuesday. “We’re far, far away from any approvals” to allow satellite or rocket launching here, though.

Kenoi learned of the most recent proposal when West Hawaii Today reported on it last week. No one has approached county officials with any information, he added. Evans, at the community meeting, said she couldn’t remember who had brought the idea to the state’s Office of Aerospace Development, within the Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism. A message left with the Aerospace Development office was not returned Tuesday. Evans also did not respond to a message late Tuesday.

Kenoi, in 1994 a student at the University of Hawaii’s William S. Richardson School of Law, joined in the fight against C. Brewer and Co.’s proposed satellite launching facility on 500 acres in Ka‘u. Former Gov. John Waihee, who had been a proponent of the project since C. Brewer owner J.W.A. “Doc” Buyers made the proposal in 1986, had accepted the project’s environmental impact statement in December 1993, his last month in office, Kenoi said.

“The issue was that the EIS, done by CH2M Hill, was insufficient, inadequate,” Kenoi said. It failed to consider all the potential adverse impacts.”

Kenoi didn’t say he outright opposed a new spaceport proposal. Technological improvements and more awareness of, and mitigation of, cultural and environmental impacts could make for a viable proposal, he said. But without seeing a proposal, just hearing someone is talking about a spaceport “raises more questions than it answers.”



Then, in late 2015 (November 4th / More at link- Extensive article):

http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/loc...ce-flights

Should Kona International Airport host Hawaii’s first commercial space flights?

That’s a question that could be brought before Big Island residents close to the new year following the completion of a draft environmental assessment for a proposed spaceport certification.

The environmental review is needed before the state applies for a launch site operator license with the Federal Aviation Administration. If approved, space tourism companies then would be able to apply for their own individual licenses to use the airport.

The flights would take wealthy passengers into suborbit, where they can experience weightlessness.

Jim Crisafulli, state Office of Aerospace Development director, said he anticipates public meetings regarding the findings of the review to be in Kailua-Kona early next year, possibly in January.

The state could apply for the license within six months after the document is finalized, assuming a finding of no significant impact, he said.



Interesting, indeed. Good for discussion, and pondering.

JMO.
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#12
Forgive me for being a little cynical. However, given that the TMT is struggling right now, despite minimal environmental impacts and following all the rules the state asked it to follow, I simply see no way a space port could ever be built here.

I think it would be fantastic if one was built, but if the lies that have been said about the TMT are anything to go by, the opportunities for that kind of propaganda are much larger when it comes to something like launching rockets from the island. I just don't see it happening, and I'm only thinking about the environmental arguments that will be made and the incompetency of the state government, not sacredness or the argument about Hawaiian sovereignty, just to make that clear. Others can argue those issues.
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#13
I'm only thinking about the environmental arguments that will be made

My thought as well. I imagine a convoy of jacked up big wheeled trucks burning gas at a rate of 7 miles to the gallon displaying signs such as:

"No Rocket Fuel Chemtrails Over Hawaii!"

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#14
fwiw, who is, can be like who dunnit

aloha,
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#15
"fwiw, who is, can be like who dunnit"

Feel as though I've just been given a fortune cookie which leaves me at the table an hour later still trying to figure it out..
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#16
right
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#17
What they need to do is make a railroad track system that is connected to one of these steam catapults...You know the kind they use on the launch aircraft from carrieriors??? Well, make this thing go up about 16K' and strap it from sea level to the top Maunakea up to 14K' feet with an extra 2K' past it.

Put the rocket one the track, and LIFT OFF!!! Did you know that most of the fuel is used up just getting a rocket off the launch pad. If you could be going twice the speed of sound by the time you got to 14K' just think how much fuel you'd save! If one did it right and got it going 3-4x the speed of sound, maybe wouldn't even need any fuel on board at all!
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#18
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Originally posted by opihikao
Jim Crisafulli, state Office of Aerospace Development director, said he anticipates public meetings regarding the findings of the review to be in Kailua-Kona early next year, possibly in January.

This bill is for funding of a study, mainly for a facility that will require a dedicated launch/recovery area. This is for those that use vertical rocket launch. There could be a lot of environmental impact argued there.

The Virgin Galactic is a regular jet engine carrier with a wingspan less than a 777. It takes off and lands on a long enough runway, which Kona has. There is virtually no local environmental impact than the other jets already using the airport. It won't be noticeable by 99% of the population because it will be very quiet on takeoff and landing. The rocket fuel will be delivered by containers with a pressure tank inside them. Probably more action noticeable in a couple years.

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#19
"What they need to do is make a railroad track system that is connected to one of these steam catapults...You know the kind they use on the launch aircraft from carrieriors??? Well, make this thing go up about 16K' and strap it from sea level to the top Maunakea up to 14K' feet with an extra 2K' past it.

Put the rocket one the track, and LIFT OFF!!! Did you know that most of the fuel is used up just getting a rocket off the launch pad. If you could be going twice the speed of sound by the time you got to 14K' just think how much fuel you'd save! If one did it right and got it going 3-4x the speed of sound, maybe wouldn't even need any fuel on board at all!
"

Actually, all you need is a railgun that eventually launches the spaceship vertically. Run it up a mountain and have the end of it point straight up. As long as you can get the thing to 25,000 mph (or a little more to take into account air resistance) it'll be off into the solar system and then all you need is a little fuel on board for course corrections. Just wait until the Earth has rotated into the right position before launching and Bob's your uncle.

But I won't volunteer to be a passenger...
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#20
Every time I see discussions about using state funding for grand experimental projects, I cannot help but to remember all the failed Grand Experimental Projects that Alaska tried to put into effect because it had all the newly minted oil money for the local politicians to blow on their favorite projects.
That line of thinking even carried on way beyond the oil money being newly minted.

http://www.adn.com/print/article/dreamin...oondoggles

The latest one, too late to make the forgoing list, is the Kodiak Launch facility.
It is still somewhat in operation, but doesn't seem to be doing much since opening.
I saw somewhere that they've recently opened an office in Alabama trying to draw some business north.

Because of the oil money, Alaska is a comparatively rich state.
It could be argued that they could afford to do so.
Hawaii is not a rich state.
In fact, after having lived in AK for almost 35 years, it is glaringly obvious that Hawaii is a relatively poor state.

funding in support of both the Space Port and TrueTag are of the same mentality.
This type of state funded adventurism would be paid for by taxes on its citizens.
We have enough trouble getting anything of value from our politicians for our taxes paid without funding pie in the sky type of adventures.
Which, from past experiences, are probably doomed to failure anyway.
Politicians are not wise investors.
This would be much better left to Federal or private funding.
From recent activities in orbital access transportation, private might be the best way to go.
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