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Puna to Hilo and back again
#11
BillyB: "Why on earth do we need another study? "

Greggor did not oppose funding this study because things had already been figured out, he opposed it on the grounds that a PMAR was counter to the wishes of his benefactor, after telling a less deep pocketed but involved constituent that he would work towards identifying the final route during this term. Instead, he killed the only forward movement that was proposed. The Puna Action Committee proposal was so poorly thought out they didn't know how narrow Railroad was, or that it runs diagonally through HPP, creating more intersections than a simple straight across route. They didn't even know that much of the right of way was abandoned and thought the PMAR could be placed there without having to go the public condemnation route. The Railroad emergency route was able to be forced through because of an impending disaster, but what is needed is a permanent alternative route that can be used on a daily basis, not what Ruderman is proposing either. Puna is still growing, that one highway cannot be expanded enough to handle the population growth, Kalakoa is correct that allowing dispersed development outside of Hilo would really help, but looking at Puna's demographic future, the reality is we are going to need multiple solutions: a PMAR, jobs and services in Puna instead of just Hilo, and an expanded highway to handle the population growth ahead.

Far more people in HPP will feel the impact of the PMAR than the handful of farmers leasing land from Shipman, but things have reached the point where the common good is going to inevitably require the construction of a PMAR, and not just as an emergency route. So just draw the damn line on the map so that moving forward people can know what to expect and not get sandbagged after they invest their life savings in their dream home only to have the PMAR come blasting through a few years later. Right now almost a third of HPP is in the zone of a possible PMAR, which makes it impossible to plan around that eventuality.

Greggor and every other Hawaii County councilor, as well as the mayor, have show a real lack of backbone on this issue, but Greggor has really chosen to make politically expedient choices here, at a cost to his constituents. The difference between a statesman and a politician is the ability to make hard choices and sometimes do the politically unpopular thing because it is necessary for the common good, Greggor has shown he is just another cheaply bought politician who bends the way the wind blows. I voted for him twice, but this issue has really shown what his real priorities are, which is climbing the political ladder at the expense of the people of Puna, which is really a shame. I would be a die hard backer if Greggor had shown a willingness to take a political risk and push for a final decision on where the PMAR will go, he would have shown himself to be someone who deserves higher office.
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#12
How many actual farms are there? Vast majority of the land is completely unused.

If the land is worth so much that adding road access would destroy its value ... how about taxing that land at something higher than $2/acre?
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#13
A few of many (some, mutually exclusive) considerations that have come up during several years of discussion, including here...

1. The stated needs, being one or more of the following:
reduce daily traffic (and thus congestion) on Hwy 130; a permanent alternative route when Hwy 130 is at a stand still due to crashes or other emergencies; an emergency evacuation route to be used only in Civil-Defense-declared emergencies; improved access to (commercial, public, and medical) services in Hilo.

2. With about 25% of Puna population, and less than 50% build-out, HPP is, and will be, the major source of traffic on Hwy 130.

3. The US DOT will support maintenance funding on only one route point to point and not two parallel routes between the same points (this has already been shown in Kona).

3. A road from HPP to Macadamia Road to Stainback Highway to N. Kulani to Komohana would connect Puna with the University and Hospital parts of Hilo much better than a route to Panaewa -- the technology developments on Komohana are about earning and the shopping center at Puainako is about spending.

4. Buying a large number of houses to get them out of the way takes money away from actually building infrastructure.

5. Investment in infrastructure and (commercial, public, and medical) services in Puna reduces the need to travel to Hilo.

6. W.H. Shipman, Ltd could build a private toll-way across their land between HPP and somewhere to the North, using e-tolling, and still control the land as well as have a cash cow.
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#14
Much of the PMAR "problem" seems to revolve around HPP:

2. With about 25% of Puna population, and less than 50% build-out, HPP is, and will be, the major source of traffic on Hwy 130.

HPP needs an alternate route -- just doesn't want it going through their subdivision.

5. Investment in infrastructure and (commercial, public, and medical) services in Puna reduces the need to travel to Hilo.

HPP includes neatly-spaced 20-acre parcels for exactly this kind of development -- with multiple restrictions that effectively preclude these actually being used -- an expensive new park does nothing to mitigate the traffic problem.

This is where I suggest "pick a solution or stop whining" -- if HPP has enough population to get a County Park, they have enough population to upzone land for a corner store and/or force alignment for the PMAR (which may never actuallly be built, different problem).

Honestly, the whole system seems intentionally designed to keep anyone from making long-term plans of any kind -- just collect your benefits and bang on the drum all day, isn't that why you moved here?
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#15
well understood about the frustration.

For example, those 20-acre parcels.
Indeed, they would seem to have the potential for a very important role in bringing services to Puna (and the large population that lives near them) so as to reduce a lot of need to drive to Hilo.
If only the HPP owners could do anything about that.
The parcels deed restricted (but not zoned) to commercial and light industry are owned by the people who originally developed HPP. The HPP owners association own the parcels deed restricted (but not zoned) for education and recreation -- and one of these has been partially developed for education (where Malama school is, on Makuu).
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#16
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Originally posted by kalakoa

Much of the PMAR "problem" seems to revolve around HPP:

2. With about 25% of Puna population, and less than 50% build-out, HPP is, and will be, the major source of traffic on Hwy 130.

HPP needs an alternate route -- just doesn't want it going through their subdivision.

5. Investment in infrastructure and (commercial, public, and medical) services in Puna reduces the need to travel to Hilo.

HPP includes neatly-spaced 20-acre parcels for exactly this kind of development -- with multiple restrictions that effectively preclude these actually being used -- an expensive new park does nothing to mitigate the traffic problem.

This is where I suggest "pick a solution or stop whining" -- if HPP has enough population to get a County Park, they have enough population to upzone land for a corner store and/or force alignment for the PMAR (which may never actuallly be built, different problem).

Honestly, the whole system seems intentionally designed to keep anyone from making long-term plans of any kind -- just collect your benefits and bang on the drum all day, isn't that why you moved here?



HPP can't upzone land they don't own, but I'm pretty sure you knew that when you posted.
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#17
HPP can't upzone land they don't own

Nor can HPP control the PMAR -- I suggest they might have better luck with the 20-acre parcels.
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#18
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Originally posted by kalakoa

HPP can't upzone land they don't own

Nor can HPP control the PMAR -- I suggest they might have better luck with the 20-acre parcels.



So why can the Shipman Estate control the PMAR, but HPP can't? Perhaps because the HPP landowners are individual homeowners with relatively little clout and the Shipman Estate is a deep pocketed organization that has an inside track with elected officials, including Greggor as he so proudly stated at the forum?

The time for an emergency only route has passed, no one solution is going to improve things, and the time is going to come when the population of Puna will be larger than that of the Hilo district, just not as concentrated. HPP alone is going to have roughly the same population as the urban area of Hilo within 15 years, which is a fairly short window for transportation planning. As long as the cheapest lots in Hilo are postage stamps in Kaumana for $50-75,000 Puna will continue to grow much faster than Hilo.

It is already too late to think we can widen the current highway fast enough, or rezone fast enough, to handle the growing population of Puna without building the PMAR to handle the traffic. Designating a route sooner would reduce the number of homes that need to be condemned to build it, but the various county councils and mayors have so far allowed a handful of big players, which does not really include HPP, to squelch any suggestion of making a concrete decision on where to put the PMAR. When I still commuted to Hilo daily, often during the morning "rush" hours, the highway from Keaau to Puainako would be a slowly creeping parking lot, there is a pretty good number of people who commute to Hilo from the mauka subdivisions, so just dumping the PMAR out at the Macadamia plant just kicks the traffic jam down the road a few miles.

The whole mess makes me glad I telecommute from Kapoho all but a few days a month now.
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#19
In Hawaii County the rule is one acre, one vote.
Assume the best and ask questions.

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#20
The last time the county really talked to HPP residents about routing the PMAR close to half of the current population didn't live there yet. It may be that all the new residents who have moved in would welcome a PMAR, since many are workers who commute to Hilo daily and drive their kids to Keaau for school, instead of retirees who wanted that "country" experience.
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