what happens after the ROD

[kalakoa]

Modern GMO technology can fix it.

Modern bureaucracy and court challenges can eliminate the advantage of GMO.

your only option is to sit and watch disaster unfold

1. Crisis
2. Disaster
3. Bailout!

[Guest]

Visit old cemeteries on the mainland and you will be struck at the number of young people who died. The dead young outnumbered the old. Even children of the very wealthy died in droves of infectious disease.
Then they discovered antibiotics, and young people sick with killer diseases took medicine and survived.
But people kept having large families. Not because they needed to ensure progeny, but because they always had. Everyone wanted the advantages of technology, but no one wanted to consider that those advantages came at a cost.
So now the world is becoming a place of grossly overpopulated failed states spewing young people who did not die of infectious disease as international migrants.
We love cruising the sky in jet airplanes, but don't want anyone to effectively deal with the consequences of transcontinental air travel in the global spread of vermin and plant diseases. No one has an ideological problem with air travel, we just do not want to be bothered with 'ideologically unacceptable' approaches to addressing the problems that arise from air travel.
Homo Sapiens. Man the Wise. So it goes.

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You can't fix Samsara.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

but don't want anyone to effectively deal with the consequences of transcontinental air travel

It's how we roll. Ever since humans walked and/or floated out of Africa 80,000 years ago, seeds, disease, vermin and fungus have followed us across the planet. We've sped up the process recently with larger ships, and now planes, but it's an expansion of what we've always done. Not wanting to change is an archaic mindset.

“There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them.”
-Joseph Brodsky

[shockwave rider]

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Originally posted by imagtek

Visit old cemeteries on the mainland and you will be struck at the number of young people who died. The dead young outnumbered the old. Even children of the very wealthy died in droves of infectious disease.
Then they discovered antibiotics, and young people sick with killer diseases took medicine and survived.
But people kept having large families. Not because they needed to ensure progeny, but because they always had. Everyone wanted the advantages of technology, but no one wanted to consider that those advantages came at a cost.
So now the world is becoming a place of grossly overpopulated failed states spewing young people who did not die of infectious disease as international migrants.
We love cruising the sky in jet airplanes, but don't want anyone to effectively deal with the consequences of transcontinental air travel in the global spread of vermin and plant diseases. No one has an ideological problem with air travel, we just do not want to be bothered with 'ideologically unacceptable' approaches to addressing the problems that arise from air travel.
Homo Sapiens. Man the Wise. So it goes.

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You can't fix Samsara.

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You left out some very important factors in your scenario, just a few off the top of my head:

Education:
The single greatest factor for reducing family size is education levels of women. The more education women receive, the smaller the families end up being. As the United States' and Europe's populations became more educated families got smaller, this has been repeated all over the world and is well documented.

Industrialization and urbanization:
As people move from rural agrarian lifestyles to cities and towns large families become a burden that has to be fed and housed instead of an important economic resource and source of labor for the family farm, particularly in places that limit child labor outside the home or farm.

Wars:
Since World War II more civilians die in wars than soldiers, so now wars displace hundreds of thousands of civilians globally, instead of people just hunkering down and waiting for the battles to pass and picking up the pieces in their home communities.

Birth control:
For the last 60-70 years people have actually had effective ways of limiting the size of their families. If birth control is easily available people tend to limit family size, as opposed to just "spewing young people" as you put it.

If humans want to reduce our population growth and impact on the planet, educating girls, reducing wars, and allowing effective forms of birth control to be easily available globally are all a really good start. Overuse of antibiotics, especially in agriculture, is creating resistant superbugs which may push us back into the dark ages where a minor scratch or infection can be lethal too, that will be a real game changer.

[Guest]

Here is a Possible reforestation tree, This tree does grow well here while also providing quick shade and food for some.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/02/...e-20121001

[terracore]

"When the only solution is held up as an ideological bogyman, your only option is to sit and watch disaster unfold."

Americans only like big corporations when they are contributing anonymously to mixed pension or mutual funds and 401k plans. In every other instance, and in every other way, they are evil.

[DoryGray]

I noticed something interesting in my yard today. All the ohia with philodendron covering them were alive. All the ohia with no philodendron were dead. Could the philodendron be protecting the ohia from the ROD? Sounds crazy, but just a thought.

[Guest]

DoryGray, That is a very interesting observation. Thank you for sharing and it doesn't sound crazy at all.

The Philodendron is a natural tree lover.

Wonder if the Philodendron vine could trap or hold extra water for the water-starved looking Ohia tree's or help bring balance to the soil below the tree?

Also curious if the tree lover philodendron would protect the Ohia tree from the broken branches or beetle dust that may be spreading the ROD via the wind?

Your Ohia tree's covered by this vine could still be infected with the rod, just not severely or showing the many noticeable dying signs yet. I believe the Rod can be infecting the tree for years before the tree shows any rapid dying signs.

Thankfully It has been months since we have seen an Ohia tree dry up and die Behind our house. Sadly The 100-year-old Ohia trees have all been dead for over a year or two now, the ROD has completed its course here and moved on out. The good news is that It does appear like The younger Ohia trees on the adjacent or side lots to ours are lasting longer or fighting the ROD off for the time being.
This might sound even crazier to you DoryGray, I am hoping that the Geothermal power plant doesn't incur anymore leaking production wells within or around ground zero of where this ROD outbreak started. Hurricane Iselle was a real blessing for us in leilani estates. We have not seen or smelled the gasses the way we once were daily since that leaking production well was killed on that Hurricane night. We are no longer seeing the remaining Ohia trees around leilani die as rapidly though either, jmo.

[kalakoa]

This morning I wondered: "do the birds sanitize their feet before they land on the next tree..." and thus realized there's essentially no hope of containing the vectors.

I've also noticed more dead ohia on the next lot -- the interesting thing being, they're not clustered, there are many (apparently) healthy trees between the dead, should be interesting to watch over the next year or three.

[Justin]

DoryGray, for what it's worth, in my yard the Ohias with plants growing on them are dying at a higher rate than those that have nothing on them. I honestly think there's no connection, just random observations. But at the very least I'm happy to hear that you still have several healthy trees.