Leilanidude, Tomk did not disprove anything. Ironyak once again showed off his awesome research skills and provided facts. I don't mind being proven wrong if it can help bring awareness to important issues. By the way those electricity cost were from 2011, like stated. With expected inflation, The TMT's yearly electricity bills to operate in 2035 and beyond, may be exactly what I claimed of 5-10 million.
How much electricity is being used by the entire district of Puna?
How much electricity is being used by the Astronomy Community on the summit of Mauna Kea?
PaulW, The 90% number I came up with is a "guess" because the Hawaii tourism industry has grown fast in the past five years. Please prove my guess wrong so we can gain some awareness of the oil distribution between transportation and electricity here in Hawaii, mahalo.
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For 90% of Hawaii's imported oil to be used for transportation means that we would have a refinery or two in order to process that oil to gasoline, correct?
Maybe just maybe by changing the building code to require rooftop solar for all new buildings (res,comm,etc.) and legislating that the utilities invest in better energy storage we would not have to argue so much.
Or perhaps we can take back the job of generating power back from the private sector so the motive changes from one of profit, profit, profit to one of safety and reliability.
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Please make that clear when you're just guessing. How about doing some research yourself before making outlandish claims, instead of relying on others to make you look foolish?
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If Google wanted to build a new HQ here would you say: won't somebody think of the electricity?!
It's not an important factor.
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KJ,
Can you change the name of this thread so it doesn't look like we are having a daily plant failure and release? Maybe even rename it "Squabbling about PGV and Hawaii's energy future" or something similar.
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90% of Hawaii's imported oil is used for transportation for things like tourist rental cars and resort shuttle vans
Assuming this is true: wouldn't it be more environmentally friendly to recharge electric cars at night with geothermal power?
I think if we say yes to the large projects like TMT then we are saying yes to needing more geothermal made electricity.
What about more resorts or retail stores? Do those have special power meters that only accept non-geothermal sources?
Look, people, let's be realistic: Hawaii has very little to offer other than location, location, location. White sand beaches for resorts, the highest mountaintop for observatories, the right climate for certain kinds of agriculture (most of which is exported, simply because that's where the margins are), and a few places where geothermal power is practical (and electricity cannot be exported).
If we refuse any substantial part of what little industry is possible on the island, the remaining economy will not be sustainable without massive tax increases or huge government subsidies, either of which solutions merely delays the inevitable collapse.
Are you all ready to move back to the mainland and/or leave the US?
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Are you all ready to... leave the US?
Imagine.
Let's look to the Native American Reservations as an example. Many have their own land again. Many have their own governance. Have they returned to their 18th century customs and lifestyle? No, they've built casinos, which were never a part of their tradition or history.
They've adapted to a 21st century reality.
What would be required to permit OHA to build and manage Hawaiian casinos? With several Native Hawaiian resorts on each island thousands of jobs would be created, and resort profits transferred to DHHL to develop the vast areas of land held in trust for the Hawaiian people, who now might finally receive a homestead and home.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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Native American Reservations ... adapted to a 21st century reality.
Excellent example: so far, the "protectors" have not indicated that they have any future plans for resource management after they achieve self-governance.
resort profits transferred to DHHL to develop the vast areas of land held in trust
No, they would just hold the profits "in trust" too, maybe let people apply to be on a waiting list to prove blood quanta for their share, which won't be paid out because they would die of old age first.
