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So yes by all means let's stop the "desecration" on the mauna because of more fake reasons.
I can totally accept "desecration" as a reason -- but only if "stop the desecration" is applied equally to all development activities, starting with the cruise ships, resorts, and shopping malls, then maybe the HELCO generators, tour helicopters, paved roads, etc.
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"Many Hawaiians today and their keiki are going homeless or having to go without a "Candy store career""
What is your solution? Stop investment? Chase away "foreigners"? Forego cheap and abundant energy under our feet?
If people want to choose poverty, fine. But then don't complain about being poor!
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They are having their history, culture and traditions replaced with Ebt cards and free lunch
"They" chose this path, so I find it difficult to sympathize.
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The people from Hawaii have shared their Aloha spirit, resources, culture and Mauna Kea... in hopes of promised better paying jobs, higher educations, recognition and a brighter future... They are having their history, culture and traditions replaced with Ebt cards and free lunch instead. jmo
gypsy -
I believe you have some interaction with Pahoa schools, and through your children, some first hand knowledge of the students who attend those schools. In your opinion, do you think:
1) Students in Pahoa schools are offered "higher educations?"
2) Students after graduation are offered additional higher education at the Community College and UHH?
3) Do many of the Pahoa graduates, Community College graduates, and UHH graduates have higher paying jobs than the students in Puna who don't graduate?
4) Who today is taking away Hawaiian "history, culture and traditions" from the Hawaiian people? Aren't Hawaiian language immersion schools available? Kam School in Keaau? Hula classes? Books? Is anyone in this day and age keeping Hawaiian students from taking advantage of those courses?
Woody Allen once said "90% of success is showing up."
"One may pretend knowledge of philosophy more successfully than that of arithmetic." -Last Aphorisms (or how about, one may pretend knowledge with an opinion more successfully than with facts)
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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as we are sending a clear message ... especially on the big island.
Don't invest in business over here...
1) less jobs, less money... Means, increases in Education, Taxes, Food, Etc ... Etc...
2) More depressed people, more crime and suicides (big island is already the highest in the state).
Wonderful! Sadly, it's going to make a lot of people move elsewhere to for a good paying job with benefits... and NO, working at walmart is not a good job. The outlook for younger folks graduating from UH are going to be forced off the island.
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There was one race I can think of that a war was fought over, but still blamed the"white man". Then, suddenly they figured out it was time to "rise up!" ( their words, not mine) and now very many hold very high occupations within the U.S.
Think it's about time the "mental menehune" start with the same? The Micronesions even saw opportunity here in the Islands than stay where they were born and raised.
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quote:
Originally posted by glinda
It seems like an endless sport hereabouts, to belittle the Hawaiians, to suggest all their vehicles leak excessive amounts of oil, to suggest they're all on food stamps, to make all sorts of snide comments and then get an attaboy kine pat from all the others here. But then god help someone that tries to suggest maybe you are wrong, maybe you are missing something, maybe your approach is as destructive to the process of creating a future in which everyone has a place, and is honored for who they are, for the differences between us, rather than ridiculed.
I think you're being selective in your reading. That's not something that I've said. In fact the opposite is true and there are some really great Hawaiians that support the TMT as well.
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It might seem like that glinda... but some of the people posting are hawaiian. And as far as leaky cars go.. make yourself notice the pavement in the parking lots you pull into.. plenty of oil stains ...just about everywhere.
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endless sport hereabouts, to belittle the Hawaiians
I don't believe there is anyone on Punaweb who belittles all of the Hawaiian people.
Some here have an opinion about a group of Hawaiians who are in the extreme minority, the Protectors, but that in no way reflects on the vast majority of the Hawaiian people, including those who may not support the TMT. We are all entitled to our own opinion.
I think everyone here respects the Hawaiian people, their culture, and traditions.
That respect does not always extend to the Protectors, in certain circumstances.
"One may pretend knowledge of philosophy more successfully than that of arithmetic." -Last Aphorisms (or how about, one may pretend knowledge with an opinion more successfully than with facts)
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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I stated those words because I feel that there is a mental block with our youth in education because they may feel you have to leave for good. The State adds to this, for the most part, that it has refused to go beyond the tourism mentality. There was an article today in the Star Bulletin about "brain drain", in that youngers are leaving the island for a better education and life, but no mention of eliminating trade tariffs and working with the shipping companies to bring manufacturing to the Islands, as they did with sugar cane for a start.
Wouldn't it be nice for a young grad to return to his home to run a startup business, or a component assembly factory for the Tesla, or the many other electric cars coming up, than having China or Taiwan design and assemble these components? Or return to work in the astronomy field as the Ali'i did atop Mauna Kea?
That is what aloha means to me, that you return and give back to your community, rather than sit, complain and do nothing for the benefit of the community and its native peoples.
Community begins with Aloha
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