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Save the environment
As I understand there are two interrelated issues—if the roads were paved to meet USPS standards, the USPS would provide regular home delivery in HPP similar to other communities such as Shores and Beaches. Since the roads are not paved, many residents are being forced to drive 10 miles round trip to Kea’au for General Delivery mail pick-up for between two-three years while waiting for one of the limited boxes on the street. It would be beneficial if the USPS could be convinced to provide an increases number of mail boxes at their expense in HPP, until the association paves the roads to meet USPS standards. We do need local mail service boxes or home delivery by one truck in order to reduce our carbon footprint and save the environment for all.
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Obie, I will re-post a part of my comment, " On a side note, I have noticed that neither he, the new board President Randi Lazalere or the 2 board defenders on this site, have bothered to answer one of the most obvious question some have raised on this site and on the Facebook site concerning how it is the board thinks it can seemingly misuse a bylaw to misinform the association members in order to get them to vote on a very expensive project that they have no authority to get involved in in the first place? Answer that question Mr. Sodan and Randi."
You are one of the 2 that I was referring to in that comment. And you have again demonstrated my point in your reply. Neither you nor any one on the board will answer the obvious question. A reasonable person would suspect by now that after many attempts to get you, or better yet Randi and Jerry, to answer a simple question, that the silence could only indicate that you and they dare not respond! And my opinion on why there is no answer is simple, they know now that they got caught trying to deceive the association, either naively or knowingly. Naively, in Mr. Sodan’s case, probably because of an unsophisticated knowledge of the bylaws and a simplistic acceptance of what the more "experienced" (I say that with tongue in cheek) board directors tell him. I have nothing against Mr. Sodan because there have been many others before him that thought through their good intentions they could do great things for the association and mistakenly took what they heard from Jo, Randi and Ruth as honest and knowledgeable bylaw interpretations. But this scheme with the mailboxes should be an eye opener for him and the other newbie appointed directors that they are only tools. That remark may sound harsh, however it is only meant to convey a sense of seriousness to the situation that we have been witness to for 2.5 years. Hopefully, some of the newbie directors will learn where the truth lies if they start reading the bylaws and seek out those that have been around a lot longer than the 3 directors just mentioned.
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Originally posted by ChuckFin
Save the environment
As I understand there are two interrelated issues—if the roads were paved to meet USPS standards, the USPS would provide regular home delivery in HPP similar to other communities such as Shores and Beaches. Since the roads are not paved, many residents are being forced to drive 10 miles round trip to Kea’au for General Delivery mail pick-up for between two-three years while waiting for one of the limited boxes on the street. It would be beneficial if the USPS could be convinced to provide an increases number of mail boxes at their expense in HPP, until the association paves the roads to meet USPS standards. We do need local mail service boxes or home delivery by one truck in order to reduce our carbon footprint and save the environment for all.
I believe the issue with standard home delivery is private roads, not bumpy roads. I could be wrong.
Also, I think if the county were to take over ownership of the roads as I have been promoting, I think the USPS would be obligated to provide the same standard home delivery that everyone else gets. I could be wrong about this as well, but it's worth a ponder.
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Why would the county want to take over the roads?
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Who said anything about them "wanting" to?
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Kenny posted on the HPP Road Maintenance topic that the board is trying to shut down the bylaw committee. They have no right to interfere with a membership committee. There should always be a bylaw committee. This is something that needs constant work and updating.The board with the Potential board members must have to pass test and are deemed acceptable if they show a severe aversion for even learning the bylaws and can only pass if they refuse to follow them. Board members are suppose to be held to a higher standard because they are SERVING our community not themselves. We have never had such a continual group of self serving, hostile, intentionally stupid people on our board.
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I have nothing against Mr. Sodan because there have been many others before him that thought through their good intentions they could do great things for the association and mistakenly took what they heard from Jo, Randi and Ruth as honest and knowledgeable bylaw interpretations. But this scheme with the mailboxes should be an eye opener for him and the other newbie appointed directors that they are only tools. That remark may sound harsh, however it is only meant to convey a sense of seriousness to the situation that we have been witness to for 2.5 years. Hopefully, some of the newbie directors will learn where the truth lies if they start reading the bylaws and seek out those that have been around a lot longer than the 3 directors just mentioned.
I have no cause to disbelieve SWR as he/she has proven to be truthful. I believe Jerry Sodan applied for the board vacancy with good intentions. The very first board mtg he stated he would do whatever the board told him to do. [  ] Perhaps he doesn't realize that's why some prev board members are involved in the ongoing 2 1/2 yr old lawsuit. Jerry, if you're reading here, pls read the bylaws, learn them and follow them and read them again. Yes, you're supposed to support your board peers in decisions they make, BUT you're not supposed to follow them IF they're breaking the bylaws and our policies.
Pls read the Conduct Policy, it explains how board members are supposed to interact respectfully w/their peers, association members and employees and it's enforcement. This US THEM board mentality which is divisive continues to be perpetuated by 3 reps to every board rep. The "enemy entrenched" is the board who has their own personal agendas. Their only agenda is to fulfill their premier board duty = ensure the roads and easements are maintained, that the striping and reflectors are maintained and the signage is maintained.
Jerry, the mailbox project wouldn't have blown up in the board's face if they had done the fundamental thing first....PROPOSE the mailbox idea at a membership mtg giving the membership ALL the details. The board asking for $ w/out doing their homework was unprof'l, premature AND foremost, they should've worked in partnership w/the FC regarding the $$$$.
The membership has been shafted by the board before when the membership asked for a board presentation and the right to vote on the chip seal project. The membership should vote for anything that profoundly affects our roadways and entails that much of OUR $$$ for years.
If the board had intended to do a informational presentation at a membership mtg, then why didn't you say so from the very beginning? Which looks to me like it was only a knee jerk reaction to the complaints.
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Mermaid is 100% correct. She and Caveat Emptor have given readers here facts,bylaws,previous board meeting info. I will reiterate 1 more thing. HPPOA had already started budgeting for the mail box project. $100,000 had already been put aside. ALL non road maintenance projects need to be allocated annually from the budget. There is no reason to assess members. They can not technically do this and should have been being fiscally responsible but we have no clue what the true financial situation is as they shut out the finance committee, and have made big purchases. Someone is driving around an expensive truck at our expense. Totally unnecessary especially when we know that 2 decent trucks could have been purchased with the same amount of $ and would have been better suited for road work. This board is responsible for annually budgeting. Where is our $100,000 mailbox fund?
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A reminder members.... 2 more membership committees have been shut down by this board. The Finance Committee and the Bylaw Committee. These seem essential to our membership and transparency.
Seems like they are taking more steps to run us amok. Now they have moved onto extortion.
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Looks like this poor guy was trying to improve life in HPP. He started an informal poll and came to the conclusion that a majority would be interested. Guess he should have asked the anti everything haters that reside on Punaweb !
Jerry R. Sodan Sr. created a poll.
December 7, 2016
"Hello all
I've been off here for a while but that is because I've been very busy trying to make things better for all of us. Again as always I am speaking as a homeowner here in HPP and not as a member of the Board of Directors. That being said I would like to ask each of you to please respond to the poll I am about to send out.
All of us know that mail delivery here in HPP is pretty poor. Some of us are still waiting to get a Post Office Box in Kea'au, Hilo or even Pahoa. The present situation with the mailboxes along Shower, Kaloli, Paradise and Makuu is not only insufficient but is actually dangerous to the postal workers and to us, the customers. Another problem is there are people who do not live in HPP using the NDCBUs (Neighborhood Delivery and Collection Box Units) along these roads.
I've put a lot of thought and effort into this and I would like to first explain my thinking then ask you if you are in favor of my plan or against it. Essentially I'm wondering if there is enough interest to take this idea before the BoD.
There are somewhere around 8,800 individual lots here in HPP, and approximately 5,900 have people living on them. The others are owned but not occupied. There are somewhere between 11,000 and 15,000 people living in HPP. Each and every one of us deserves to be serviced by the USPS. If there is enough interest there will be a signup roster placed in the HPPOA Office. So here goes the plan:
1. Four parcels of land would be donated by HPPOA for the purpose of placing approximately 125 NDCBUs in each for a total of 8,000 mailboxes. Each NDCBU has 16 mailboxes and 2 parcel lockers with and an outgoing mail slot in it.
2. Each of the four lots would have their entrance and exit off the primary roads but adjacent to the primary road. This would provide added safety for all of us.
3. The mailbox would be permanently tied to a physical lot and address. When a lot is sold the mailbox goes with it. This would ensure all the residents of HPP have a mailbox.
4. There would be a one-time fee. (This still needs to be worked out but should be negligible. The fee is because we, HPPOA, will need to purchase the NDCBUs. The US Postal Service will not provide them.
5. Having a dedicated mailbox tied to your lot should add value to your property and will also make it much more desirable to a potential buyer.
All the bugs are not worked out yet but I think it is high time we got treated like any other US Citizen and could get our mail without having to drive to another town to get it. I've heard horror stories of people waiting 3 to 5 years to get a PO box or even longer to get a box along the primary roads.
Below is an opinion poll. Keep in mind all I'm asking is this. I am trying to get a check of the pulse.
1. Would you be willing to pay a very modest fee to get mail delivered here in HPP in a safe area where you don't need to worry about traffic flying past you.
I am in favor of having a dedicated mailbox tied t my lot. 92 yes
We need that individual Mailbox in every lot that has a home PERIOD! This is the 21st century... Its time. 11 yes
I am not in favor of having a dedicated mailbox tied to my lot. 5 yes"
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