The Future of East Hawaii

[radioguy]

What will the next 30 years be like in East Hawaii? Because of the skyrocketing costs in transportion and energy, people who have rain catchment tanks for water, solar and wind energy systems and gardens for growing produce will be best positioned for the changes to come. Because factory fishing ships will be banned world wide, raising fish for food in farms will be very common. Red meat will almost disappear. Oil will be very expensive, and Hawaii will be one of the first states to ban the import of autos with poor gas mileage. To fight traffic jams, there will be a limit placed on the maximun number of cars on the island. The tourist industry will take a hit as it will be shown that jet aircraft are a cause of global warming. Other means of transportation, such as cargo ships with sails, and cruise ships with sails, electric vehicles, electric mopeds will be common place. If you can't walk to work, it will be considered far away. Horses will be a new industry. People will not be able to relocate to Hawaii unless they can prove they have a source of income "off island" and do not need employment or will provide employment. Hawaii is the most remote place on earth, and it will seem like it again. It will be a much bigger deal to travel to the mainland. Communications, satellite, internet fiber optic cable, wifi, cel phones will be everywhere. Anyone with medical training will be at a premium. Building codes for home construction will require total energy independance. People will want to be in Hawaii to be "off the radar screen" of international events. The weather will be completely different. You will know all your neighbors. The BI median home price in 30 years will be 1.2 million dollars, or about 120 one ounce gold coins. Bamboo will be a common building material. Native Hawaiian peoples will be granted large sections of land to return to a original Hawaiian way of life, and many non Hawaiians will join them, these areas will be called "No Federal Government Zones". Dolphins will have equal rights to Humans.

[pslamont]

where did you pick those mushrooms you ate tonight?

Just another day in P A R A D I S E !!

[Royall]

Very interesting post.

Royall

What goes around comes around!

[Carolann R]

Okay you guys! It's too early for this! I just had half a cup of Joe and wasn't ready to log into the Bizarro World Show - hehehe...

Carrie



Edited by - Carolann R on 06/04/2006 04:19:04

[Tahunatics]

I'm surprised none of you called him a Punatic. You can laugh all you want and make fun of radioguy, but my wife and I would like to back him up, he is right. I don't know about equal rights for dolphins, but I can tell you I have studied this topic thoroughly for many, many years, even getting a Bachelor of Science in Alternative Energy in 1984. This information won't just fall in your lap watching Faux News, although it is becoming more mainstream recently. The subject that will create this paradigm is called 'Peak Oil' and most people are unaware of it and don't even want to hear about it. The good news is Puna is probably one of the best places on Earth to survive it with abundant rainfall, warm temps and ability to grow food and aquaculture year round. The unknown variable is climate change. It's informing people and rebuilding community networks made extinct by the Walmarts and globalism that will be difficult because people don't even want to hear about it. They do however want to know everything about American Idol or Survivor or the other lame reality shows. You want to talk about reality? This thread could become very, very important. Perhaps something VERY positive could come out of this conversation for the Puna community. Peak Oil isn't something 20-30 years from now. Our own military says it actually happened last year and is now the largest consumer of renewable energy products in the world. Many experts agree we are either at Peak Oil Production now or within the next two years.
All oil production equals a bell curve with Peak Oil being at the top of that curve. Guess what comes after that? Instead of an 'Apollo' type program to wean us off of oil we are going to go to war to fight for every last drop. Think about this; it takes ten calories of oil to put one calorie of food on America's table. I cannot write 20 pages of information here, but let's start with some basic info. Keep in mind radioguy has very good intentions in bringing this information forward and so do we. This is for real and it's about to affect your life and ours.

Peak Oil Explained Simply:
http://www.solarwindhydropower.com/peakoil.html

Did you know this is being debated in Congress?

Republican Congressman Roscoe Bartlett's Peak Oil Presentation to the US Congress:
http://www.energybulletin.net/5080.html

http://www.solarwindhydropower.com/pdfs/...tFEB06.pdf

Matthew R. Simmons is the founder and Chairman of the world's largest energy investment banking company, Simmons & Co. International, and was a member of Cheney's energy task force, he is now sounding the alarm regarding Peak Oil.

http://www.twilightinthedesert.com/

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/co...shell.html

http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/people/matt_simmons

Matthew Simmons Presentation:
http://www.solarwindhydropower.com/pdfs/...ilight.pdf

Peak Oil Links:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/

http://www.peakoil.net/

http://www.peakoil.org/

http://www.peakoil.com/

http://www.endofsuburbia.com/

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Steve & Regina
Tahoe/Hawaiian Acres

[pslamont]

Granted, I poked fun at the presentation. The subject is very real, and a very big part of the reason I have 30 acres, planted a fruit orchard, a coffee field, a vegetable garden, am learning to raise pigs,and have designed though can't afford yet, a solar array to power my home.

Currently dependent on LPG and electricity, we plan to build an outside kitchen with full brick or lava oven, wood burning of course. Not paraniod, but an eye to the future and options is wise.

Still, you gotta laugh at that dolphin comment....

Just another day in P A R A D I S E !!

[Tahunatics]

That's not being paranoid, just smart and good for the environment.

Just ask the people of the Gulf Coast about counting on the government to be there to rescue them.

I tried to join Paranoid Anonymous, but they wouldn't tell me where they meet!

Steve & Regina
Tahoe/Hawaiian Acres

[mella l]

I'm getting there as fast as I can before the nuclear war in Iran begins, I hope(seriously I read several newspapers a day and it seems the ground work is being excavated, although the tomtoms have slowed their pace a bit), and I don't watch television.

It was three years ago reading about the already begun water wars in California (the posturing and politics of informed investors, among others), the constant fear mongering media, the mind numbing entertainment dished out on television that helped make my decision for me 2 1/2 years ago. I feel privileged to be having enough rain to fill a catchment system, and grow self sustaining foods. A whole lot of the world has lived with cisterns for centuries and I'm not far behind.

I think of it as proactive, being as self sufficient as possible and I'm afraid our nation is reactive in so many areas, and most especially with energy. We are a spoilt nation economically compared to the greater part of the world and we are lulled by the idea we can buy our way out. I don't think it will be that easy, not this time unfortunately.

As I am older and don't have a large span of life ahead of me and have no dependents, I still worry about young people and their children, the grandchildren of my friends and I don't see a rosy picture for what they will inherit from previous generations.

Although I don't like these thoughts and the writing seems to be on the wall for me many of my friends don't seem to see it. So in that respect I'm glad that there are others who are thinking, striving and preparing, and not afraid to voice their concerns.

I know it sounds like the Twilight Zone but it needs to be considered and yes it is too much of a jolt for that first cupa java in the morning!

If you google peak oil it is not a pretty read. If you disregard 60 percent of what you read it will still not be a warm fuzzy feeling you come away with.

mella l

Edited by - mella l on 06/04/2006 10:06:52

Edited by - mella l on 06/04/2006 13:24:14

[Carolann R]

Okay guys...sorry about the Bizarro World thing. But, really if you break it down, one topic at a time it makes so much sense. The hole tore thru the universe when I read it all at once upon waking, hehehe!!!

I see now why catchment is not so unsavory an idea and the idea of solar energy has always interested Tony. I was amazed at those Air-2-Water units that you can buy to dehumidify and also create drinking water more pure than bottled!

This whole war over oil thing is so confusing. Seems like there are so many ways to produce what we need and to stop our dependence on oil from Arab countries. I never heard about the Peak Oil topic, though. That's a little unnerving.

Mahalo for the info!

Carrie

[Rob Tucker]

I have always looked at the math.

Americans comprise approx. 5% of the world population. We consume a (very conservative) 25% of the world's resources to maintain our lifestyle.

The whole world (except for North Korea and Cuba) are now competing in the free market for those same resources. Will we continue to dominate the markets?

I would suggest that major changes should be expected.
History might predict a long term series of wars over natural resources.



Edited by - Rob Tucker on 06/04/2006 10:42:14