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I just remember DHHL throwing the late Uncle Sam K. Jr. off his DHHL land a few years ago.
They could sure do that.
Oh! I forgot, he was critical of DHHL and OHA!
And an activist and leader of The Restored Kingdom (Henry Noa).
Gee, wonder if that had anything to do with it?
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DHHL throwing the late Uncle Sam K. Jr. off his DHHL land
We've been told that the opposition to the TMT is a gathering point for all Native Hawaiian people to unite, work together, and move forward in the formation of a new kingdom or other means of self determination.
And yet, here's an example of Native Hawaiians working against each other, with little discussion, demonstration of support, protest, or social media outcry. "The Protectors" remain quiet as mice on this issue, which would seem an ideal place to show their solidarity, and work toward a meaningful consensus to help and provide all Native Hawaiian people with a homestead and a home to call their own.
Having a reasonably priced place to live would seem like a big win for Hawaiians struggling with high rents and high mortgage payments.
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"The Protectors" remain quiet as mice on this issue
Correct: because DHHL lands are not sacred.
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DHHL lands are not sacred
They might be if Hawaiians could move there.
I own my home, and consider the property around it sacrosanct.
Kapu to "lost" thieves, salespeople (cleaning products, religion, or otherwise), and people insisting I evacuate for a one foot tsunami ("it measures 9 inches at the most recent buoy it passed...").
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I own my home
Wait, you didn't have to apply for a lease like the Native Hawaiians?
No wonder they're so upset.
the protesters should be "occupying" Hawaiian Homelands
Had they done this, their current complaints would be far more credible.
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MarkD, Thank you so much for your well thought out article, I agree with most everything you say, whole heartedly but your final statement that Mauna Kea's spiritual value has been exxagerated is from a perspective that lacks an appreciation or reverence for spirituality. This is an important division that we can identify that will keep these two groups from ever uniting. Mutual respect is the only way forward and not just on the Universities/TMTs terms. This is THE issue that has pushed more than one solid TMT supporter over to the other side.
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Appreciate all the good responses. I do not know much about DHHL, but have a general perception of dysfunction & disorganization in the Hawaiian community. Aama crabs in the bucket is a great comparison.
I do know a disproportionate number of part-Hawaiians are homeless, and it seems to be getting worse. It is troubling.
The comment about avoiding racial politics is good advice. I have a problem following it because of my views: I believe some races/cultures vary in their capacity to compete economically. (Probably one of only a few potentially racist positions that one can hold without drawing a large amount of flack).
IMO, mainlanders that come here consistently outcompete local people, particularly part-Hawaiians, on jobs and housing. Mainlanders, predominantly Caucasian, are more acquisitive. Their persistence in building big houses on Hawaii's shorelines is a good example.
Kalakoa: ...it's a big mystery as to why the Hawaiians are so pissed off they would derail TMT.
Because they can. Obviously the issue has to align with the native peoples’ platform. Massive construction on a local mountaintop does. More specifically the anti-TMT protest does something important: it makes the Hawaiians more relevant (regardless of how one views the issue).
We see this with different groups, activists. Do not slide into irrelevance.
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It is unfortunate that my views on shorelines do not resonate. I understand that shoreline issues are not that big of a thing in Puna, given our stark coast. (I miss Drainpipes, Harry K. Brown Park, Kaimu.) On most other parts of Hawaii coastal issues are a very big deal.
Shorelines might be worth a commentary some day......
(and I appreciate ohiagrrl’s post, which I just read before posting...amazing the amount of information you are putting out against multiple opponents on the other thread. Impressive, ohiagrrl.)
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Aggrieved protector Kealoha Pisciotta is flying to California for a meeting with one of the financial backers of the TMT. The telescope’s supporter and contributor is a co-founder of Intel, the company which manufactured computer chips for almost everything as the personal computer revolution changed the world. This meeting should certainly highlight the juxtaposition of contrasting world views and philosophies. I would love to be a Wekiu Bug on the wall to hear the conversation between them.
Kealoha Pisciotta says she and other opponents of the Thirty Meter Telescope are scheduled to meet Wednesday with the president of a Palo Alto-based foundation established by Intel co-founder Gordon Moore and his wife.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/01/30/...ey-funder/
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Pisciotta described this maneuver as "a last ditch," but of course there will also be a totally predictable temper tantrum on the access road when construction starts. The authorities claim to be making better preparations this time. We'll see.
