Posts: 1,858
Threads: 46
Joined: Apr 2015
quote:
Originally posted by glinda
[quote]Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
Blah blah blah. You have about as much heart as a slug.. and nowhere near the same amount gray matter.. and you go on and on and on. Don't you have a life? I mean one away from your computer and Punaweb? Based on how much you post I would speculate that you don't.
And, what do you mean that the momentum is gone? All you know is from the news, yes? And wtf is that? the Trib.. the West Hawaii Toad? Are you aware of the political party that has formed as an outgrowth of the Aha? Are you aware of the different cultural centers that are opening in the islands? I actually can't imaging how it is you think you know anything considering how much time you spend on Punaweb.
Wow. What a smarmy witch.
Posts: 2,485
Threads: 10
Joined: Feb 2008
Just my gut feeling but people who thumb their nose at the law and have stand-offs with the police, build native hales on and haul canoes to the tops of 14,000' tall mountains, and don't let environmental policies and best practices regarding cleaning their vehicles and materials of invasive species or waste disposal stand in their way, would be shoe-ins for simply going and homesteading Hawaiian Homelands without the blessing of DHHL. Did I miss it? Is that where the "Protectors" are right now?
Posts: 10,502
Threads: 347
Joined: Apr 2009
"But seriously HereOnThePrimalEdge, take a deep breath. To begin with you start a thread with a bunch of bait.. looking to dis the Hawaiian people with your loaded position.. just hoping for someone to come along and give you grief so you have something to do today. Blah blah blah."
Anyone know the Hawaiian word or phrase for "straw man"? Is there one? How about "Ad hominem"?
Posts: 1,107
Threads: 72
Joined: Jan 2009
quote:
Originally posted by MarkP
...would be shoe-ins for simply going and homesteading Hawaiian Homelands without the blessing of DHHL. Did I miss it? Is that where the "Protectors" are right now?
Whoa! That would be a great movement! Put OHA in the position of evicting Hawaiians from the land set aside for them. I could get behind that! Hope it happens...
Cheers,
Kirt
Posts: 3,241
Threads: 109
Joined: Jun 2010
As someone living quite happily without "infrastructure" I agree. The homelands are ready. Just bulldoze a road in and let folks live their lives! We're pioneers here, not coddled city folk.
I would show up to protest in solidarity with Hawaiians occupying Hawaiian homelands.
Posts: 4,353
Threads: 100
Joined: Mar 2014
The homelands are ready. Just bulldoze a road in and let folks live their lives!
-----
I guess you do not realize that some of those lands already have paved roads, electric, telephone, intranet, water..... But with a huge amount of empty lots...
Posts: 1,858
Threads: 46
Joined: Apr 2015
Go cruise Makuu homesteads for example. Looks like 20% occupancy to me.
Posts: 3,241
Threads: 109
Joined: Jun 2010
I'm aware. Just making the point you don't need any of that for a home, which some people would be grateful to have. Considering the land is leased, it seems questionable to put a ton of money into developing an expensive home on it anyway. Are Hawaiians to be denied the ability to build wealth for their family with their homes, like other Americans?
If it's their land, let them use it how they see fit.
Posts: 664
Threads: 67
Joined: Mar 2016
Lots of people don't know that DHHL leases property to many commercial companies. For example in Hilo, much of the industrial area, Walmart, Home Depot, Prince Kuhio Mall...are all on Keaukaha homelands.
DHHL puts out a lesse report based on surveys where you can see what the respondents have to say:
https://dhhl.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploa...Report.pdf There's lots of interesting information in there but the respondents were low ~ 20%
Posts: 11,328
Threads: 767
Joined: Sep 2012
DHHL puts out a lesse report based on surveys
Thanks Eric1600, the report is a treasure trove of information. I've just started to scratch the surface but have a few initial observations:
1) page 21, Table 8 - 96.7% of Big Island homeland residents wish to pass their home and property on to their children or other relatives. This indicates to me that despite the land being designated leasehold, once they acquire their land they see it as a part of their descendant's heritage.
2) page 66, DHHL map. There is a huge DHHL land holding, the Homuula-Upper Piihonua tract along Saddle Road, Mana Road, which stretches across a vast area of Mauna Kea. It is near Mauna Kea Access Road, yet was never (as far as I know) mentioned throughout the TMT protest. Protestors could have walked to their homeland. Protestors could have set up a second encampment just a boulders roll from the VIS protest. It could have been a perfect segue that called attention to DHHL's lack of responsiveness for the needs of the Hawaiian people. "The Protectors" had Facebook, Hawaiian TV, radio, and newspapers asking them for comments every day. What a missed opportunity.
simply going and homesteading Hawaiian Homelands without the blessing of DHHL.
I think MarkP has hit the nail on the head. If "The Protectors" choose not to return to the Homuula-Upper Piihonua area to ask for what belongs to them, Maku'u homesteads are paved, have water and easy access. They could set up multiple hales, a few porto potties as they did when the VIS bathrooms were closed, and raise their flags over their rightful, officially defined, legally appropriated, designated homelands. They might set up an information booth every Sunday at the Maku'u Market to provide information for the thousands of residents and visitors who shop there every week. In the meantime, it would put DHHL in a precarious position because as knieft pointed out, how would it look if DHHL evicted the very people they are assigned to safeguard and provide for? It would certainly have the Hawaiian people (and non-Hawaiians) asking, what is the real purpose of DHHL, and what have they done for us lately?
It... lends weight to Goethe's felicitous description of architecture as 'frozen music.' ... Does this, I often wonder, make music 'defrosted architecture?' Listening to Bach's Goldberg variations as I often do on walks when motorway noise and other auditory intrusions preclude the music of silence, it strikes me that it might. - Pub Walks in Underhill Country, Nat Segnit
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
