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The solution to it all is to start recognizing who we are and what are we doing to the rest of the world. We demand lower prices because we have a huge consumer market with high per capita value. In a way we all operate like Walmart," if you want to sell to us, lower the price"!
Do any of us really really think how that cup of cheap coffee was actu ally produced? Or how much suffering the animals we consume went through? Nope!
As the overfed fat cats we are, we do not give a second thought on anything we consume. Illegal immigration will stop the day we pay real living wages and the same lawful employment conditions we all rightfully demand. Yeah, the cost of food will skyrocket as it should.
In the meantime we are all slave traders and masters. Truth always hurts
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Originally posted by PaulW
"It also means he was driving with no license and most likely no insurance either."
Okay, are you now ready to withdraw that unfounded accusation? We all make mistakes.
Why would I withdraw it? At the time that he got the TWO DUI's, in Hawaii,
Hawaii did not allow illegals to obtain a driver's license. Whether the fools in the prosecutors office charged him for that offense too (both times) is unknown but he still did it.
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You bring up an interesting point leilanidude: I would be interested to know if the county prosecutor's office is giving illegal immigrants a "by" on having a driver's license and insurance when they get charged with another traffic offense. An offense that all us "legal immigrants" would get hammered on if we did the same. If this is the policy within the prosecutor's office, I don't see how it could stand up to legal scrutiny. Can anyone (with actual knowledge of policies in the prosecutor's office) enlighten us on this point?
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Not enough info. He could have had a D/L from another state or an Int'l D/L.
Assume the best and ask questions.
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It's interesting to see how hard people are searching for reasons to bash immigrants here.
Hawaii also allows drivers to use foreign licenses. In addition there are many international insurers that cover driver's liability, but most people who have not lived as ex-pats are unaware of this. There's also no citizen requirement to purchase insurance.
* Both of these specific people tried to get legal visas (not "Illegal immigrants start their lives here by learning how to circumvent our laws.")
* The citation was for DUI. (not "likely no insurance" or lack of registration which also requires insurance)
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http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/06/09...ion-delay/
No mention of the DUI's in the Star article...
He arrived here when he was 15. No US states were issuing licenses to illegals at that time. Even if he did have a D/L from Mexico, it would have expired by then.
BTW... If one does a search on eCourt Kokua in Hawaii County, he was also charged on 5/25/2007 with
speeding of 68 in a 55, plus no driver's license and no insurance. Fined $366 and from the records, it
appears he never paid it, as the case is still listed as
activewith no date listed for the fine being paid, as is normal. It would go to closed status otherwise. Maybe this is what triggered the deportation issue?
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New driver's license could put 40K more residents behind the wheel
The Department of Motor Vehicles begins issuing them Monday, and officials say the new license could put up to 40,000 additional residents behind the wheel.
Act 172, which takes effect New Year's Day, creates the provision for the limited license, which requires proof of identity and Hawaii residency but not proof of legal presence in the United States or a Social Security card.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30864...-the-wheel
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HOTPE - the fact that the state is just beginning to issue drivers licenses to illegals, has nothing to do with the Ortiz case.
PS -Even the state believes that there are at least 40,000 illegals that could apply for a license and that doesn't count children, disabled...
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Originally posted by leilanidude
BTW... If one does a search on eCourt Kokua in Hawaii County, he was also charged on 5/25/2007 with speeding of 68 in a 55, plus no driver's license and no insurance.
Clearly a model citizen.
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leilanidude says:
HOTPE - the fact that the state is just beginning to issue drivers licenses to illegals, has nothing to do with the Ortiz case.
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you could not possibly have a drivers license! Actually, I do not believe you can now, either,
How many people do you think drive without a driver's license in Hawaii County? How many drive without insurance? How many drive drunk? I'm not saying it's OK to do so, but when the practice is as pervasive as it is here, to the extent that insurance companies expect insured drivers to carry uninsured motorist coverage, it's a problem that's no doubt difficult for the police and courts to keep up with.
If your strongest argument is that Ortiz should be deported because of a driving issue, it's difficult for me to render significance to that point when he's one out of thousands and thousands.
Did he break a law. Yes. But how serious do you consider his action? Knowing the number of uninsured, unlicensed, and drunk individuals on the road at any given time in Puna and Hawaii County, do you consider the risk so high it prevents you from driving where you want to go?
If the answer is no, then trumping up the driving charge on Ortiz is obviously not as strong an argument as you'd like to make it appear.
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