Island Coffee farms looked at by ICE officials.

[Tink]

I don't believe it s about legality on the jobs we are talking about, but rather the mentality of most anglo's, and others of "not wanting to get their fingernails dirty" as they perceive that as they are from a lower class of citizenship.

Community begins with Aloha

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

if there were no exploitable workers, who would clean the toilets?

Hawaii has a long history of recruiting foreign workers to do the hard work and the dirty work:
First Japanese, then Chinese, Filipino, Korean, Portuguese, etc.
As soon as one group established itself and found or created work away from the hot, sweaty can fields, they did so.

Here are some practices from days past:
* legally bound by 3- to 5-year contracts
* Japanese, Chinese, and Filipino laborers paid at different rates for the same work
* whippings, for such offenses as talking, smoking, or pausing to stretch in the fields
* Plantation owners often pitted one nationality against the other in labor disputes

And now, it's the Hispanic workers.
https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroomma...nese2.html

[PaulW]

I had a look at the court records and it seems to me that neither the name nor the location matches. Please explain.

You are plain wrong about the drivers licenses. Until fairly recently anyone, even a tourist, could get a Hawaii Drivers License. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[leilanidude]

PaulW - Can't provide a link because of the the way the database is structured. Search by name. It is the only one that comes up. All the details fit the person and is the only one for this county.

On the licenses - you are wrong. In order to get a license in Hawaii County, you had to have proof of residence (lease agreement or deed), SS card and birth certificate. If you already had a license from another state, you could slip past the birth certificate and SS card. Now it is slightly more strict on the documents.

Case ID, Kona - 3DTI-07-061764

[randomq]

We are still in the plantation. There are still owners. They are still pitting us against each other. Meanwhile, automation will make all this finger pointing meaningless. Burgers will still be cheap, because the robot that makes them works for free.

[PaulW]

Thanks leilanidude, I was searching under the name given in the paper. Any idea why the DUIs that were reported don't show up?
You are right, caught driving without a license while speeding 10 years ago. That's the only one. My guess is he got a licence after that, or he most likely would've been caught again.

Sorry, you are mistaken. I personally know someone who received a Hawaii drivers license without proof of residency or an SSN number.
It was a foreign tourist.

[guardship]

My 2 cents:
My wife is a recent immigrant and got her Hawaii drivers license by showing her green card and proof of address (she had to take both the written and driving test).

Questions for folks about immigration laws:
What should the rules be for those coming into the USA, either illegally or legally? Once they are in, can stay however long they want as long as they do not commit any crimes; or if they stay 5, 10, or 30 years; or if they marry; if they have children? A combination of these? Do we need immigration laws?

Help a brother out here to understand.

[Palanakonu]

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Originally posted by PaulW
Sorry, you are mistaken. I personally know someone who received a Hawaii drivers license without proof of residency or an SSN number.
It was a foreign tourist.

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I've been avoiding saying anything in this thread... it's just not my style.
But I have to ask you to please provide more on this if you can.

As someone who recently got their Hawai'i license (about 5 weeks ago) after living here for several years (my old license was still good) I have to say that even being a born and bread American citizen that I had to provide more than this person.
In fact, I was sent away packing once because my name was not on the lease (only my wife's) even though the electric was in both our names and the cable and water for the location were solely in mine.

Are you saying that a foreigner (non emigrant) can get a license easier in Hawai'i than an American born citizen with residency, a current drivers license, a current passport, and several utilities in their name?
That is kind of.... frightening.
I'm not trying to sound like an ass (I actually believe you), I'm just wondering how this guy slipped through.

[Kapoho Joe]

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Originally posted by guardship

My 2 cents:
My wife is a recent immigrant and got her Hawaii drivers license by showing her green card and proof of address (she had to take both the written and driving test).

Questions for folks about immigration laws:
What should the rules be for those coming into the USA, either illegally or legally? Once they are in, can stay however long they want as long as they do not commit any crimes; or if they stay 5, 10, or 30 years; or if they marry; if they have children? A combination of these? Do we need immigration laws?

Help a brother out here to understand.

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Illegal immigrants get to stay as long as they can until law enforcement catches up to them.

[Eric1600]

Many people these days now think zero tolerance on immigration is a good thing. The ironic thing is that if they were personally in the same shoes as those immigrants, they would completely change their tune.