BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT - what did you do?

[Kenney]

Old tricks or simple questions?

How do we know what time/opportunity/privileges anyone had? Maybe it was just determination and effort.

[Wao nahele kane]

HOTPE,

LOL, while sitting out back during the short 5 minutes I sat on the lawn, I looked at my avocado tree and thought, "With my luck, Kim would miss Honolulu and hit my avocado tree."

I didn't believe for one minute that the warning was legit. But, it doesn't take much to be on the safe side. History is filled with stories where the warnings were ignored. The story of Pearl Harbor is one such event, when ignoring the new fangled radar data of inbound aircraft.

[leilanidude]

quote:

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Originally posted by Frank

question...What is the need of a warning system that lends 15 min. to one's life? I, for 1, do not appreciate being WARNED that I have 15 minutes to live. Give me the "the flip of the switch your done" option. NO WARNING.

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Exactly. Why the need to rush to one's family? Do you really want to watch your loved ones die a horrible death in front of you? Do you want them to see that happen to you?

[Wao nahele kane]

As per where to purchase an NBC suit, etc.
Ebay is one source. For kids size, locate manufacturers and call them.
Since the gear is relatively inexpensive for a person who works and has a car... if that's ones concern, buy two and keep one in the car and one at home. They're around $40.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/NBC-suit-CBRN-siz...SwsXFZLxfM
As per reading a Geiger counter, there's plenty of info online and some instruments come with a user's guide. If you can read your cars instrument cluster and figure out what it means, one shouldn't have a problem figuring out a Geiger counter data.

And NO, I'm not offering classes, for that, find other sources as I mentioned originally or see Thom K.

Geiger counter. Here's an example, available on eBay. https://m.ebay.com/itm/New-Smart-Geiger-Nuclear-Radiation-Detector-Counter-For-iOS-iPhone-Android-Phone/111671729438?epid=16003300515&hash=item1a00275d1e:g:jKwAAOSwnK9ZW2vE

[MarkP]

I didn't get an alert on my phone, was not watching TV or listening to the radio. I read about the whole event here on Punaweb sometime after 9pm. Not sure what I would have done if I had heard about it in real time. Called family I suppose. Since I am in Kapolei on Oahu for a few days, having recently returned from visiting parents on the mainland, I would have been sorely tempted to drive to my brother and his family in Honolulu just to be near them. That would have been wrong on many levels but it is what our innate nature tells us to do. I don't want to live forever in a nuclear wasteland. I do want to have some measure of control over how I go out. I definitely want that for my loved ones.

I have read some stuff in the news that FEMA has some recommendations but there are the dual concerns that pushing the information out could cause panic or at least unease, plus there is a certain fatalism about nuclear threats being so great that there is no point. That fatalism is on the part of the general public not FEMA. People don't want to hear it. However an example was given of a threat scenario for a small suitcase sized bomb detonated at ground level somewhere in LA. There were 285,000 estimated casualties if people did nothing but it was estimated that 240,000 of those casualties could survive if people aggressively and successfully sought shelter. It makes a huge difference if you can get out of the open atmosphere and avoid airborne fallout. There is lots of stuff on the internet about taping gaps around doors and windows, etc.

To that end it seems to me that having an in home shelter would be the way to go, not because it can withstand the blast or direct radiation (it won't), but because in anything short of an exchange between two major nuclear powers the majority of the population won't be in the blast zone but will have to contend with fallout. Taping around doors and windows, never mind all the cracks in the average Puna shack, all the while crying hysterically and wondering whether your loved ones are still alive, doesn't seem the way to go compared to spending weeks or months at your leisure outfitting a kick-ass mancave/womancave that just happens to be airtight and waddayaknow is a nice place to hang out to boot, air-conditioned too because after all climate control is what this is all about anyway.

[kalakoa]

having an in home shelter would be the way to go

Where do I get permits/inspections and a licensed contractor to build one?

[Wao nahele kane]

Mark P,

Thanks, that was the point. The number of people who are injured/irradiated unnecessarily, the vast majority. All because they didn't accept the option to learn about the hazards up front and take simple precautionary measures to be prepared. The doom and gloom scenario is even accepted by otherwise well educated people, unfortunately, they treat it as a joke.

That, I recall being the first thing we were taught at NBC school. The fact that most people think it's the end for them, when it isn't. That's the myth, the myth that Hollywood perpetuates and the average person believes to be true.

[Wao nahele kane]

Kalakoa,
LOL. Skip all that, they're available on eBay too, just bury it.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/ANDAIR-VA-150-Nuc...Swu4BVx7yW

[reni]

My phone was off, tucked quietly away in my office. We got a phone call from our neighbors, quite concerned and truly believing that a nuke was heading our way. I didn't believe it. Helped myself to a couple pieces of candy and turned on the computer. Went straight to Punatalk.
Immediately found the thread and again thanks to those for the early posts.

Being absolutely fatigued with the sensational crap that now poses for our National News, I could not help but think this was more than employee error. I did think that we here in Puna were being used in some sort of response analysis exercise. When I realized that the message was sent to all of Hawaii, I became very angry at the thought of what this idiotic action could have caused.
Last night, I wrote Tulsi Gabbard. She seems to me to be one of the few in Government who acts analyticalally . This taxpayer requested a swift FCC investigation with consequences to the parties responsible for this B S .
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"1 button" pushed by a low level employee ???? what B.S. , If true, this person needs to find a job elsewhere. Who's in charge of approving this "1 button" "system" . This person too needs to find a new job. Hopefully, this is B.S. also. And if, if, if......there is a political connection between Kim's 1 button, Trump's 1 button and our 1 button rhetoric, well then we have allowed even our emergency response system to become politicized.

[Lodestone]

quote:

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Originally posted by kalakoa

1. North Korea nukes are only meaningful as a threat; they lose all value if launched.

2. North Korea "says" the have nukes, but who knows if they really have them?

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Good points K, but some quibbles with the first two:

1. Don't assume that they can't both have nuclear technology and yet be riddled with idiots and/or loons. For an example of this, we need only look in the mirror. In the Cold War, the Russian and us accidentally nearly set off between one and a thousand or so nukes on roughly a dozen occasions. We now have very sophisticated technology and procedures in place to minimize that risk. It's doubtful that the North Koreans have devoted nearly as much effort to preventing a launch by someone, say, clicking the wrong button twice in a row. [:p]

2. Yeah, they got 'em. You can't fake the seismic and fission products of nuclear detonation and we spend a fair amount of effort making sure that someone isn't testing them without us knowing about it. We hate surprises. https://science.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-detection.htm