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The birds are very irritating to some people. 7 days a week at 5:30 a.m. Or earlier. Can't even get a break on Sunday. Six or 10 or 15 or 30 or more roosters--it gets worse and worse.
Try midnight, late mornings, early afternoons, late afternoons, early mornings.....in a dense population like Kaloli pt w/half acre lots. Try several roosters all around you crowing back and forth with each other. How about their digging up yards or eating people's vegetables? All due to someone abandoning their roosters...hard to feel sorry for them not being fed by a human anymore when they make such a racket.
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It’s easy to determine if someone has more than 4 roosters, almost impossible to determine what they’re raising them for.
I don’t know why a legitimate farmer would want to move to mostly residential neighborhoods, isn’t the land more expensive and the vibe less welcoming?
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Help me out here, please describe a real world scenario in which the new regulation would affect anyone other than illegal cockfighting operations?
It would affect some lazy SOBs who have more than 4 roosters on their property for no reason whatsoever, but don't get rid of them because...
Yes, they're quite irritating within a certain proximity. Even one or two are more than enough, IMO. It would be so blissfully quiet out in the jungle at night if it weren't for them and the dogs barking.
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If the proposed law is to limit raising game birds, why don't they modify it so that you can only have roosters if you have hens, and limit the amount of roosters to a ratio of how many hens he can "service" with a limit as to how many poultry one can have per square foot of property? That way, they are not discriminating against the legitimate farmer.
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"Then why doesn't it say that? It doesn't say "you can't raise birds to fight".
There are already laws in place for that. They are easily circumvented by the owners referring to them as "show birds" instead of "fighting cocks".
There has been a Renaissance of sorts in many urban areas allowing folks to have egg hens within city limits that use to prohibit the keeping of any kind of livestock. These laws usually stipulate that no roosters are allowed. It sounds like this proposal seeks to install something similar here except that it would apply to AG land.
"anyone with more than 4 roosters to house birds a minimum of 75 feet from all property boundaries"
I haven't read the proposed law, but I think "housing" is different than "possessing". At any one time we have more than 4 roosters on our property. We don't actually own any of them because they showed up out of the jungle. We don't house them. Tying their leg to a stake in the ground under a little metal roof until they get big enough to fight to the death- that's a "housed" rooster.
"Or Safeway"
I would be surprised if Safeway sells "true" capon meat, even though any neutered rooster can earn the label, it's different than growing out a neutered bird into adulthood and fattening it up.
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I would be surprised if Safeway sells "true" capon meat,
But, then, shouldn't it be properly labeled as is done in the case of imitation crab, with the more precise terminology "Imitation Capon?" Or is it possible the birds (or the labelers) reject an outmoded binary identification process of male-female, and challenge the demeaning valuation made by society at large to anything labeled chicken? Someone should look into this further, but not me.
even though any neutered rooster can earn the label
Ouch!
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We used to raise Show Birds but not for fighting - free range for our hens - for fertilized eggs .
As a general rule for every 10 to 12 hens a Show Bird - Game Bird - Rooster - will service those hens daily .
We now have 2 Show Birds for 60 hens - Bard Roc .
On average we get 8 to 10 dozen eggs per week .
We also raise hogs and rabbits - We butcher our own to feed our ever growing ohana .
We never buy meat from Safeway or any other food outlet or canned meat .
We have over 40 acres in Glenwood and several side by side lots in H.A. - recently some city folks from Calif moved in about 1/2 mile away and complain constantly about the noises our farm animals make or the farm animals aroma .
It is ag land . They should of done their due diligence . They also shipped in 2 BMW electric cars and are out raged that no charging stations are in Puna .
We try to be nice but after 6 months time this gets old .
They want to now know why the county will not pave the private road to their million dollar home they are building and why it costs so much to bring in HELCO .They are also outraged about the noisy helicopters all day long and green harvest helicopters .
But they constantly complain about everything because where they came from blah blah blah .
We now ignore them .
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PaulW - A Show Bird is a Game Bird or a Rooster .
bard Roc Show Birds have a much softer crowing sound than a Rhode Island Red as an example .
The hens give us large brown eggs with deep orange yolks with way less cholesterol. Much healthier than the month old irradiated chemical fed caged eggs from America shipped in in refrigerated containers .
If persons dislike roosters running amuck - get a chicken trap at Dels and soon no more grumbling.
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They should of done their due diligence
My proposal, again: County should require all prospective owners of ag-zoned land to attend a seminar and sign an agreement indicating that they fully understand what "ag-zoned" means.
Note also: County doesn't have the power to upzone ag land to residential; State must first designate the land as "urban".
it's going to run into "Regulatory Taking" issues
These new lawsuits will be a wonderful use of our tax dollars. I can hardly wait.
