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Humans are capable of adapting and living with adversity.
I am starting this thread to discuss building changes which enable people to more acceptablely coexist with what may be a long term issue.
The fact of the matter is increasingly clear to me that homes need to be able to move and move on very short notice.
Further lines across roads must be high enough that there is no need to remove them to get homes out in a hurry.
I am envisioning a standard semi designed to haul 40ft containers. If a home was imperiled, the truck could back under this home and within 15 minutes haul it out of the way.
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Of course manufactured homes, single/double-wides, RVs, and tiny-homes exist all over the mainland. They would be a great fit with our economic and geologic realities. Yet for some reason they do not exist here...
Even a shipping container costs almost 3 times as much here as on the mainland, which makes no sense given the obvious import/export imbalance.
Housing could be cheap and safe for all. Instead we're nailing together kindling on the side of an active volcano.
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... Even a shipping container costs almost 3 times as much here as on the mainland, which makes no sense given the obvious import/export imbalance. ...
I have noticed that.
I had a friend in AK that made a good living selling road tired vans and trailers.
He had connections that would send shipments up in those "road tired" trailers.
He would then sell them as storage trailers.
I, among others, would buy them from him.
I would buy a 40' highcube trailer with barely roadworthy tires on it for about $1500, use it for jobsite storage, then sell it for what I paid for it.
I sold my last one that I had been using for personal storage just before moving here.
I sold it for more than I had paid for it.
I would think that old, tired, about to die, but still serviceable containers would be available for reasonable prices.
I haven't seen them.
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we're nailing together kindling on the side of an active volcano
We have the capability to do better; that we don't is very disappointing.
Fortunately we're poisoning ourselves to extinction. Maybe the next evolved intelligence will do better.
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A standard shipping container home is, as you point out ideal to fit upon a flat bed truck, however I am thinking more along the lines of a home about 45 ft long and 20 ft wide.
Of course the whole concept would be squashed if owing to a lava emergency moving a home along the road was banned to not interrupt traffic flow.
Regarding mobile homes, I understand they are not legal in Hawaii.
This said a factory could pump out these pre-fab homes which when anchored to a four corner foundation would meet all local building codes.
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"Regarding mobile homes, I understand they are not legal in Hawaii."
This is an interesting topic that deserves more discussion. Any expertise on this out there? On the mainland a lot of mobile homes end up on properties called "parks" and filled with so-called riff-raff.
In Hawaii we also have riff-raff in parks. Except they use tents. And if they don't have tents they sleep in doorways of businesses in downtown Hilo. (about 20-30 or there so now). Perhaps local officials prefer the Hawaii way.
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mobile homes ... filled with so-called riff-raff.
If used on lots in Puna, the density would be one mobile home per acre, or several acres. In mainland trailer parks it's more like dozens per acre. If the Puna resident lived in a single-wide, tiny home, or converted container and tucked their residence into the landscaping, it would create an entirely different environmental ambiance than mainland trailer parks with one unit lined up right next to another, and another...
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Regarding mobile homes, I understand they are not legal in Hawaii.
Citation please ... I have seen them in the wild ...
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"If used on lots in Puna, the density would be one mobile home per acre, or several acres... it would create an entirely different environmental ambiance than mainland trailer parks with one unit lined up right next to another, and another..."
Good point. This is a very good topic...changing codes on mobile home use in Hawaii....highly relevant to Puna's unique recurring lava threat situation. (someone repost on main site?)
