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How am I suppose to know that this thief’s intentions were to only rob me and not cause physical harm?
A thief breaks into you home ... children
There are numerous break-ins in Puna. Almost none, possibly none, involve the violence you describe. It's a fear based on an infinitesimally small number of incidents (in comparison to the greater number of total break-ins), and when they do occur, almost always take place thousands of miles away from Puna.
You are far more likely to get injured in the way you describe by driving a car. Would you consider it common sense to protect yourself from the greater risk of transporting yourself in a car, by giving up driving?
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Originally posted by Rob Tucker
Yeah, it's a great theory if you have a couple hundred grand to defend yourself. I'm not suggesting lethal force is never warranted. Hawaii has a very, very low incident rate of home invasions with armed perps. But we used to have basically no problems with armed thieves here until folks from the mainland started importing their guns and having them stolen from their homes.
And Castle Law is not Stand Your Ground.
I didn’t say Castle Law is stand your own ground. The difference is when not at home or work you have a duty to try to retreat to safety before using deadly physical force.
I agree, it could cost you a couple hundred grand to defend yourself. They have organizations that you can join to deal with those costs if you are indicted. I’m pretty confident if someone attempts to commit armed robbery against you and you use deadly physical force, you will not be indicted. If an unarmed thief breaks into your home while you are asleep and you are a petite woman and alone with a small child in the home and you confront the thief and he physically attacks you, I am confident you will not be indicted for using deadly physical force.
It’s not the folks from the mainland who bring their guns to Hawaii to blame, it is the thief who steal those guns from law abiding citizens who commit those armed robberies at fault. Hawaii doesn’t sell guns? Hawaiian’s not from the mainland legally purchase guns? You are aware Hawaii has the second highest gun ownership per capita in the nation? It can’t all be from mainlanders bringing their guns to the islands.
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Originally posted by Rob Tucker
You'll have to look it up yourself. I'm not that interested. I recall the sentencing but not the names at this date.
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Just as a reminder, you said "As I understand it, Hawaii does have a stand your ground Law".
This might seems minor but to me, off the cuff, you are misinformed and there is a reasonable chance you remain so. No offense intended. I've been running this website for fifteen years and every so often someone comes on here pretending to be knowledgeable about self protection. Please, we who have lived here a long time really don't require instruction. Please consider leaving your mainland approach to such things on the mainland.
I'm done.
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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
How am I suppose to know that this thief’s intentions were to only rob me and not cause physical harm?
A thief breaks into you home ... children
There are numerous break-ins in Puna. Almost none, possibly none, involve the violence you describe. It's a fear based on an infinitesimally small number of incidents (in comparison to the greater number of total break-ins), and when they do occur, almost always take place thousands of miles away from Puna.
You are far more likely to get injured in the way you describe by driving a car. Would you consider it common sense to protect yourself from the greater risk of transporting yourself in a car, by giving up driving?
I agree, the odds of being a victim of a violent crime is small, even in dangerous neighborhoods throughout our nation, but your point does not refute my point. The point I am making is it is the individual’s responsibility to protect their property and their life, not the police. People have this misconception that it is the law enforcement role to protect life and property and it is not. Only when a police officer observes a crime in progress they have a duty to intervene.
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Originally posted by MarkD
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Really? Pretty cocky for a Newbie, aren't you? Worse, you're ignorant. Moderator: You need to think and relax a bit before you post. Keep this up and you will be missing for awhile. This is trolling.
(ETA: Agree. My bad.)
"Someone comes onto your property uninvited with intentions to do harm, ventilate them. Make them go out with more holes they came in with. Does anyone here really care about meth heads and perps?"
Everyone who has been in Hawaii for any length of time knows this is rubbish:
1)This isn't Texas, where aggressive self defense is tolerated. Hawaii law enforcement is highly intolerant of people engaging in self defense. They'll throw your ass in prison.
2) Strangers coming to your home to harm you are rare in Hawaii, statistically. Our big problem is theft. You can't just gun down a thief.
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High tech in crime control, including drones and GPS tracking, is inevitable nationwide. Might take a bit longer in Hawaii.
Missed your post. I apologize for the latter part of my post. I had a few beers in me and was being overly aggressive. Safe to say I was over the top. My apologies.
I agree, I would not suggest to shoot a common thief. I’m more focused on someone who acts physically violent toward you on your property. The violent crime stats are extremely low in Hawaii and I understand you have a better chance of winning the powerball than to be a victim of a violent crime in Hawaii. My sole point is that you are responsible for your own property and safety, not the police.
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"You are aware Hawaii has the second highest gun ownership per capita in the nation? "
No, I'm not. Source please!
I found this: https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-owners-per...ns-3325153
Has Hawaii at 47th position in gun ownership.
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Originally posted by Rob Tucker
Just as a reminder, you said "As I understand it, Hawaii does have a stand your ground Law".
This might seems minor but to me, off the cuff, you are misinformed and there is a reasonable chance you remain so. No offense intended. I've been running this website for fifteen years and every so often someone comes on here pretending to be knowledgeable about self protection. Please, we who have lived here a long time really don't require instruction. Please consider leaving your mainland approach to such things on the mainland.
I'm done.
I apologize if I suggested an approach. I don’t think I had, but if I did, I didn’t mean to. The main purpose of my post was to explain the fact that courts have ruled police do not have a Constitutional obligation to protect ones property and life. That is a ruling that covers all police departments all throughout the United States.
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Originally posted by PaulW
"You are aware Hawaii has the second highest gun ownership per capita in the nation? "
No, I'm not. Source please!
I found this: https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-owners-per...ns-3325153
Has Hawaii at 47th position in gun ownership.
I found this: https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-owners-per...ns-3325153
It has Hawaii in 47th position.
Assume the best and ask questions.
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Not sure how OP on looting got to stand your ground, but back to theft issues: Everyone should have a video of their property and belongings. If looted, document the home after as well. Keep your video on a flash drive in a safety deposit box (i.e. not on the property). These videos can be used by insurance and law enforcement.
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