Family in HA

[maud gonne]

Dog survived, but it sounds like a horrible death for the goat: tethered and unable to escape, thus drowning...

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

The house is not code, again not legal.

Considering the buildings on the property withstood flood waters that were said to be waist deep, neck deep, and would have washed the residents away had they tried to go through them - - the houses and sheds seem to have been built adequately to withstand environmental stresses. Not having electricity is a feature under these circumstances, not a deficiency, as it prevented the homeowners from getting electrocuted.

And the cheese stayed dry.

By reading the small print jargon following this post, user agrees they have passed a recent exam on the Snellen Eye Chart, including but not limited to line 5. E D F C Z

[kalakoa]

Why would you want to show your house on t.v if it's obviously far from being legal?

There's no budget for actual enforcement. Consider:

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018...f-funding/

[Punatic007]

I think that translates to "We don't want to wear them".

[kalakoa]

I think that translates to "We don't want to wear them".

It's just another kind of "selective enforcement". If funding were magically available, the cameras would be lost/damaged, or the "redaction team" would be unavailable.

All the problems are related. Maybe someday we'll stop pretending otherwise.

[Durian Fiend]

quote:

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Originally posted by Punatic007

I found this story shocking on many levels. Appears they purchased a lot in quite the flood zone, wondering why that sale was legal. The house is not code, again not legal.

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There's no law stopping someone from buying land in a flood zone. Building there? That's another story.

I have a friend in this area whose property is near the flood zone but not in it, and his land experienced flooding it had never seen in at least 20 years. It could have been a once in a lifetime event. There's a nearby "house" smack dab in the middle of the flood zone and I assumed it was a goner. Turns out the place changed hands about a year ago and the new owners put the house up on 6 ft. stilts, so it survived. These are both non permitted structures.

I have only two concerns about such a place, number 1 that they have a sewer system and number 2 that they don't grade the property in a way that can change the natural drainage of the area.

Word has it that two property owners in that area have indeed been fined recently for dozing without a permit, with one of them in the flood area. This guy was apparently also told to return the land back to its original state. He hasn't, and the flood washed debris from his foolish driveway project into the road there and it's now blocked with a 4 ft tall wall of rocks.

So, I think the "authorities" are taking the right approach by nailing people for grading without a permit but turning a blind eye to these types of shacks, which are said to constitute a large percentage of the subdivision, unless someone calls in a complaint.

[kalakoa]

grading without a permit

http://www.hawaiicounty.gov/pw-building-guidelines/

Permits not required unless: more than an acre, more than 100 yards cut/fill, more than 5' elevation change -- and that's per-project, a larger work could be broken up into a series of jobs that each don't require a permit.

[Durian Fiend]

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Seems reasonable to me. I'd imagine that those handing out fines are well versed in this provision.

In this recent article it's emphasized by FEMA rep Mr. Long that mitigating natural disasters such as flooding is way better than responding after the fact. I'm wondering what that will mean for the flood area running through Puna-buyouts of affected properties, improved infrastructure such as bridges and roads, or both?

http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/2018/08/3...harms-way/

[AaronM]

The ever popular, highly entertaining, long running series known as The Hawaii County Follies is still cracking up it's audience decades after it's debut. Bring on the award shows!

[kalakoa]

mitigating natural disasters such as flooding is way better

Hawaiian Acres flooding is mostly caused by an unpermitted diversion wall built by Shipman.

"Mitigation" could be as simple as ... enforcing existing rules/laws.

Fortunately for County, all those "private agricultural" subdivisions are completely ineligible for publicly-funded infrastructure of any kind -- yet building permits are still required, just like in LZ1.