Monday Town Hall with Ruggles

[kalakoa]

My sense is that there is a LOT of cherry picking going on here.

Same as it ever was. Ho, hum, Idol's on.

[KiminPL]

Stockholm syndrome? I haven't read everything, just asking.

[PunaBaer]

A "letter from the United Nations Human Rights Council...

The letter is not from the United Nations Human Rights Council but from an Independent Expert to the United Nations Human Rights Council. Independent Experts do not work for the the United Nations Human Rights Council nor are they paid, they do have some diplomatic privileges. They make annual reports to the Council but the Council chooses which of any of their recommendations to act on. This letter to Ms. Ruggles is simply a personal opinion until and unless the United Nations Human Rights Council decides to adopt Dr. De Zayas' suggestion, should he include it in his report.
https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Publicat...et27en.pdf

[riversnout]

If the letter was an official document from the UNHRC, I would ignore it. Saudi Arabia sits on the council. Just a reminder that the Saudis behead people convicted of witchcraft.

"The daily Okaz reported that a Saudi man had complained his daughter had “suddenly started acting in an abnormal way, and that happened after she came close to the Sri Lankan woman” in a large shopping mall in the port city of Jeddah.

“He reported her to the security forces, asking for her arrest and the specialized units dealt with the situation swiftly… and succeeded in arresting her,” Okaz reported on Wednesday. "
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi...UM20120418

The letter is the personal opinion of an expert in International law, so it's conclusions should be researched and examined and verified. The facts are always the same. There was NO treaty ceding HK territory to the US. If you believe that the US legally acquired the land of the HK, show us the proof. simple. Dr. De Zayas couldn't find it, can you?

[dan d]

She just went after Queens hospital for them charging indigenous hawaiians for medical care when there old law said they were supposed to be free. Sounds like she has an agenda now ,maybe gonna work for OHA?

Dan D
HPP

[PunaBaer]

Looking over Dr. De Zayas's former reports it would appear he has yet to meet a minority, marginalized or inigenous group where he could find any proof contesting their claims of oppression. He's a lawyer that has made his living 'protecting' minorities - there is little money in telling your clients that they have no case.

[Obie]

Yeah it just keeps getting more bizarre :

http://bigislandnow.com/2018/09/26/counc...on-notice/

[Chunkster]

And somehow I'm pretty sure she's still cashing those county paychecks. Isn't she guilty of the crime of collaborating with the "occupying power" if she's on their payroll?

[dan d]

How do you spell impeach?

Dan D
HPP

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

If you believe that the US legally acquired the land of the HK, show us the proof. simple. Dr. De Zayas couldn't find it, can you?

I don't think the problem is finding proof of whether the US legally acquired Hawaii because it would be difficult to prove whether any nation acquired their lands legally. If Dr. Sai's assertion that laws are legally admissible when a majority of nations operate under their provisions (how they acquired their land), this would contradict much of what he claims. But then, if asked, I'm sure he can perform another seemingly logical backflip that will prove this one particular point should be excluded from his otherwise generalized statements on what is acceptable under international law.

He is cherry picking his findings. If you were to study the entirety of international law, and not just the parts Dr. Sai highlights for anyone who will listen, you would most likely come to a broader, more comprehensive conclusion.

Imagine you have a bag of Skittles. Dr. Sai picks out all the green and yellow colors and throws the rest away. He then shows you a bowl full of green and yellow Skittles, and proves demonstratively
that no other color Skittles exist. His proof is based on not showing you all of Skittles, or as it relates in the situation we're discussing, the entirety of International Law.

The trick is, he shows you some Skittles/International Law, and that is how he convinces people to believe it's the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. If he were to go into a courtroom and present his green and yellow Skittle evidence, the opposing side would show that red and brown Skittles do in fact exist, and must be taken into account when deciding whether there is more to this issue than just green and yellow candies.

He is not a historian of International Law or the Hawaiian Kingdom, because he fails to present the complete story. He is, however, an excellent debater on one side of a complex issue.

On Tuesday night, 9/18/2018 Hawaii Senator Mazie Hirono had another message for the Republican senators on the Judiciary Committee “Just shut up and step up. Do the right thing.” She added in another related comment, “Bull$hit.”