there is gonna be NOTHING left

[terracore]

"It is not invalid in the extreme. Petroleum is shipped around the world to all corners. The cost of shipping to Hawaii is not substantially different than anywhere else on the planet. The main difference, in U.S. terms, for Hawaii and California, are the taxes."

Yup. It takes far less money to ship something on a barge than it does on the road. Barging something thousands of miles costs much less than trucking something from one coast to another.

"I expect within 5 years most batteries will be made out of much cheaper stuff, and most power systems will be off-grid solar."

They have been saying this stuff about batteries since the 1800's, however truly renewable battery technology hasn't progressed since then, unfortunately.

"most power systems will be off-grid solar"

I read that in the 1970's. Back then I thought it might actually happen by now. I was wrong.

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[glinda]

The cost of shipping to Hawaii is not substantially different than anywhere else on the planet.

I believe that to be the case as well, though I assume we are still on the high end of whatever spread that is.

But the actual price we pay at the pump suggest the cost of transportation from the initial distribution point, which I assume to be the refinery on Oahu, is substantial. On hawaiigasprices.com the spread is from $2.50ish on West Oahu, to above $3.00-$3.25 in Hilo to $3.65 at Matsuyama's in Kona and $3.79 at the stations in Waimea. By that it appears that we are paying between $0.50 and $1.30 per gallon in extra transportation costs depending on how much transportation is involved.

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. On hawaiigasprices.com the spread is from $2.50ish on West Oahu, to above $3.00-$3.25 in Hilo to $3.65 at Matsuyama's in Kona and $3.79 at the stations in Waimea. By that it appears that we are paying between $0.50 and $1.30 per gallon in extra transportation costs depending on how much transportation is involved.

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You are paying "what the market will bear". You pay those prices because you are willing to pay those prices, and if you are willing to pay them, any businessman around is willing to charge them. It is fundamental economics.

If the market will not bear a price that is sufficient to re-coup costs and make a reasonable profit, some dealers/vendors etc., will fold their tent, reducing the supply and causing the prices to rise to a state of balance between supply and demand once again. If prices get very high due to an imbalance of demand over supply, dealers will set up shop, once again restoring balance between supply and demand. Temporary shortages or spikes in demand will also raise prices.

An ounce of gold is worth what it is worth regardless of how much money was invested to mine it, transport it etc.

[Frank]

because you are willing to pay those prices

Wrong here in Hilo...

I say we have NO CHOICE...we have some say if we can convince our politicians not to raise the crap on TAXs...either buy my gas or suck wind attitude is rampant!...

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

TEXTBOOK PREMISE: You are paying "what the market will bear".
REALITY: buy my gas or suck wind

We're not considering anything, but all options are on the table. - President Donald J. Trump 1/24/19

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because you are willing to pay those prices

Wrong here in Hilo...

I say we have NO CHOICE...we have some say if we can convince our politicians not to raise the crap on TAXs...either buy my gas or suck wind attitude is rampant!...

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You have choices, you might not like them, but you have them.

[Frank]

I'm to old to walk to the store...name a few choices that I have at my disposal open...

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name a few choices that I have at my disposal open...

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Less driving, car pool, more-economical car. Did you not know Hawaii is very expensive when you moved there? Life is full of choices and trade-offs. Move to Colorado where gas is $1.80!!!

[Frank]

Less driving,...I drive about 4000 miles per year...best I can do

car pool,...I love freedom...

more-economical car... No money to spare, sided, I Love my old Mercedes, still gets 32/34 mpg...

Did you not know Hawaii is very expensive when you moved there?...I moved here when I was 22. didn't know a lot off stuff.

Life is full of choices and trade-offs....Could not agree more

Move to Colorado where gas is $1.80!!![/i]...Do you have any idea what COLD does to an old man? NO you probably don't. Hot in the cards

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Good luck!!