there is gonna be NOTHING left

[TomK]

"Less driving, car pool, more-economical car. Did you not know Hawaii is very expensive when you moved there? Life is full of choices and trade-offs. Move to Colorado where gas is $1.80!!!"

Open-d - I suggest you change your name to Captain Obvious, Mr. Irrelevant or simply Professor Pat Ron Ising.

[geochem]

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Originally posted by Rob Tucker


It is not invalid in the extreme. Petroleum is shipped around the world to all corners. The cost of shipping to Hawaii is not substantially different than anywhere else on the planet. The main difference, in U.S. terms, for Hawaii and California, are the taxes.

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Rob, you are only half right in your statement: there are two very large differences in Hawaii. The first is the Jones Act - shipping to Hawaii is a virtual monopoly - I was told by a shipping broker - after I had paid his ~$100,000 invoice - that he could have shipped two containers from the Mainland to India for what I paid for EACH of my containers from Long Beach to Hilo. The second is the strangle-hold the state holds over shore-side infrastructure. You want to ship cheap gas to Hawaii? where are you going to store it at the port? How long is it going to take to build a tank to store that cheap gas? How much time have you got???

The taxes are just the insult added to the existing injury that we are subject to every day by our union lap-dog politicians...

[Guest]

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I do not accept nor do I need your mt patronizing offer

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OK. Neutral Luck!!!

[Mac2017]

So I paroozed this thread and it seems people here are tired of the corruption, greed and extreme taxes in this state.

So why do people keep voting for the tax man party?

[glinda]

I know what end I've been looking at for the last two years.

I think all the "tax man party" stuff is silly. You can bitch about any party that is in power and accuse them of doing what they do and think you're cool.. but, from my perspective, that's just silly. If Hawaii was more balanced between two parties and we had a constant swing between the two I don't think things would be any different other than then you could spread your blame around. Big deal.

Whereas since Hawaii is a Democrat stronghold we have been blessed, absolutely blessed, that we have been insulated from the more virulent forms of the insanity sweeping the mainland. OMG those poor people.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

We all bear the responsibility of our country’s downfall, both politically and socially.
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The response is just another pointing of a finger pointing that the problem

I agree with your sentiment Mac2017, it takes two to tango, however, it's not always a 50/50 proposition.

If you are stopped on Highway 130 in Pahoa waiting to enter the roundabout and a driver plows into you from behind, the police may assign you and your vehicle 10% of the responsibility for the accident just for being there, even though you broke no laws and realistically did not cause the crash.

Or take domestic violence in Puna. You can say it takes two, both parties are responsible, but equally responsible? More often the man, or the least beat up victim will be charged. And most of us are OK with that and see it as a better evaluation than saying "we all bear the responsibility." (Extending that to the macro level, I'm glad we placed blame and took sides in WWII)

If we could all kumbaya around the drum circle on the Seaview lawn and resolve our differences it could be an excellence approach in our current state of crisis. Although even that doesn't always turn out the way we would expect as recent violence there proves.

Even at the Two-To-Tango Dance Academy when one partner continuously steps on the other partner's toes, a dance instructor might be necessary to step in (so to speak) and evaluate the problem, and yes, even suggest one party change their movements more than the other.

We can say “I think there is blame on both sides. You had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.”

Or we can acknowledge “The first step in solving a problem is recognizing there is one.”

“What the hell is going on with Global Waming? Please come back fast, we need you!” - President Donald J. Trump 1/28/19 (yes, he said Waming)

[Rob Tucker]

I have deleted a number of posts regarding national politics. Punaweb is for Puna and Hawaii topics.

Stop with the national stuff or face a PW vacation.

Assume the best and ask questions.

Punaweb moderator

[Mac2017]

HOTPE,

Well said!

[Guest]

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Originally posted by glinda

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Whereas since Hawaii is a Democrat stronghold we have been blessed, absolutely blessed, that we have been insulated from the more virulent forms of the insanity sweeping the mainland. OMG those poor people.

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The only insulation HI experiences is because the Democrat Hate Machine has few-if-any targets there.

Now back to your regularly-scheduled delusion!!!

[Rob Tucker]

You might want to look into the history of Republicans here prior to WWII. The memories are painful and long.