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So I am wondering what exactly constitutes the religion of native Hawaiians.
Is there a document somewhere that delineates the tenants of such? Or is it only an oral history passed down from....well, who to who? (whom?)
Something that clearly says what is sacred and what is not? Something that teases out the caste system, sexism, polytheism, genocide, unification, etc. so that we can all learn what it is all about, and thus respect it?
Watching the TMT stuff and now the rock boarders “controversy”, it appears to my ignorant perspective (the last few words so I can be quoted  ) that anyone claiming to be a spiritual practitioner of Hawaiian religion, or whatever, can claim more or less anything they want.
I have seen folks who seem to be somewhat unbalanced in terms of rationality, some apparently native, and some appearing to be some sort of new age mix em up, and many a mixture of both, claim that this or that is sacred, wrong, right, etc., and I can’t really figure out what Hawaiian Religion actually means.
I have googled many electrons into oblivion and remain as clueless as ever (the last few words so that I can be quoted).
Being a spiritual flunky, I need clarity.
Cheers,
Kirt
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I might suggest that PW is not the best place for these answers. Seek out some Hawaiians, they're good people in case you don't know any.
Assume the best and ask questions.
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I know many and I get singular answers. Indeed, that is in part why I queried PunaWeb. Lots of folks here that have lots of knowledge about such.
If you think it is an inapprropriate thread, please delete. I certainly didn’t intend to offend.
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Kirt
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Not inappropriate. Perhaps look to the Bishop Museum. Let us know what you find out.
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And their going to say King ( I don’t remember his name ) converted the kingdom to Christianity
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David Malo wrote “Hawaiian Antiquities” on Hawaiian culture and religion in the mid 1800’s. Born on Big Island and of Hawaiian descent, his book is still considered an authoritative source on the subject.
Full book:
http://www.ahamoku.org/wp-content/upload...d-1903.pdf
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Religions, like cultures, change, and have many different branches and interpretations. That's probably why separation of church and state are so desirable, and why we live by a system of secular laws, instead of impromptu interpretation of bible verses or kapu. I don't think you will find an objective or consistent answer. But I'm an agnostic, so what do I know? 
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Originally posted by Rob Tucker
Not inappropriate. Perhaps look to the Bishop Museum. Let us know what you find out.
Thanks for the tip. Obviously my investigation on your tip is very limited, but my first site, previously and now, was the Wikipedia on Bishop Museum. And it still leaves me somewhat clueless as where to continue.
Quote:
The book collection consists of approximately 50,000 volumes with an emphasis on the cultural and natural history of Hawai'i and the Pacific, with subject strengths in anthropology, music, botany, entomology, and zoology. The library provides extra access to the collection of published diaries, narratives, memoirs, and other writings relating to 18th and 19th century Hawai'i.
No mention of religion specifically, but I may not live long enough to find the tenants I am after.
Almost reminds me of Russell’s Teapot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
Still, I am curious as to any other posters’ pointers or posts that can explain what Hawaiian Religion means to one as uninitiated as myself. Just a hoale trying to understand. I apologize for trying.
Cheers,
Kirt
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Davida Malo was also very religious... just saying... but he did live about 27 years in the Kapu system... he converted to christianity 4 years after the Kapu system died...
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edited to add another book and fix a messup on 2 haole dudes...
the best reads will be on 1st hand accounts of early Owhyhee (post Kapu)... William Ellis (1823). "A Journal of a Tour around Hawai'i, the Largest of the Sandwich Islands... and Robert Dampiers 'To the Sandwich Islands on H.M.S. Blonde'...... Dampier wrote down everything, even thing he thought wouldnt be published in England early 19th Century... Dampier was the 'photographer' (drawing stuff and people) of the trip that brought back by ship RhioRhio/KamII and Queen Tamamalu after they died in England from measles June 1824, his journal is important because it recorded the everyday commoner doing every day stuff.. some of it is still shocking in a caveman-kine way imo... Wm Ellis walked around the island of Owhyhee the same time and his drscriptions of everyday Hawaii are 1st hand accounts as well... try read both, its at most all libraries...
aloha
https://books.google.com/books?id=dN8wuzrh6m8C&pg=PR1&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/tit...1824-1825/
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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
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