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"Tomk... Perhaps they aren't saying anything is because of the negative atmosphere surrounding such topics and outright ridicule of those who may have seen something that might be more than a road flare.
I know a few airline pilots who have seen, very clearly, flying disks but wont report them for fear of getting pulled from flight status."
Kander - I am part of the astrophysical community and yet have said I have seen a UFO. I have not been ridiculed. I imagine the same would go for pilots, especially as they have a method to report things anonymously. However, you claim to know many airline pilots who have seen "flying disks". How come they report them to you and how do you know them? And just what have these reports to you include? You can safely report them here because obviously, the pilots remain anonymous.
And please remember, the flying saucer thing only came into existence when the press misinterpreted what an amateur pilot reported back in 1947 - and his description did not say he saw a disk or saucer, but the press decided to publish misleading reports. Oddly enough, that suddenly led to all sorts of other reports of flying saucers or disks which continue to this day. Just like reports of aliens looking like the Area 51 hoax aliens. Unfortunately, that is human nature.
I'm sorry, I'm a skeptic and have been one for a long time, but I do believe you have a genuine belief and I'm glad you've kept things civil, I appreciate that. I believe you're wrong and you believe I'm wrong. That is just fine and actually very healthy. It makes a change from the stuff some people post here.
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https://slate.com/technology/2019/05/nav...-ufos.html
"The problem is that “UFO,” a catchall term for anything that’s airborne and not immediately classifiable, is so tightly knit to the idea of extraterrestrials in the popular imagination. There should be separate words for the sci-fi thing; the thing that the government is taking employee reports of; and stuff that civilians see in the sky and have questions about, which, beyond aircraft, can include everything from clouds to swarms of insects. But scientists are actually pretty bullish about cataloging what’s going on in our atmosphere, so much so that a team at a radio telescope in Australia once spent years puzzling over a signal that turned out to be from a microwave oven. If these flying things were visitors from another planet, there’s a solid chance we’d be clued in."
There's always an explanation, if you dig deep enough. Drones are often the cause these days. No Aliens required.
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I'm still curious about the title of this thread. What evidence is there that "UFO" sightings are on the rise? There is certainly more nonsense being posted on social media these days, it's pretty much available to everyone in the developed world, but that does not equal more sightings. It just means more conspiracy theorists can post more conspiracy theories.
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Glinda wrote:
"Ah, but have you noticed how many “scientists” use it?
Scientists are human, the more insecure they are in their own abilities the more they ridicule others. Everyone here knowz da kine, eh?"
Please provide some evidence, i.e., try and use some part of the scientific method, to support your claim about "scientists". I don't know why you used apostrophes but you obviously do. Let's assume you have an hypothesis and go from there. And we'll find out who "knowz da kine, eh?".
Good luck.
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Apostrophes? Where? And if used properly, what's wrong with that?
See? I just used one. Is that ok?
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Tomk,
I know you have seen something, which you cant explain and thats fine. Im not saying you should count it to "aliens". They could just as easily be time travelers from a distant future or it could be a top secret program from one of the worlds governments.
Yes I am aware that the term flying saucers was coined back back in '47 but the existence and eye witnesses goes back much farther back. no matter if they called them the devils instruments, angels, Ezekiel's wheel or what have you. I find it curious that in many aspects extraordinary historical evidence to support the existence is discounted so easily by many.
I didnt say all airline pilots I said a few. Some can report anon, and some dont bother to report at all because they apparently see inexplicable objects all the time. They know of pilots who have had their flight status pulled and its just not worth it. Its like reporting unicorns and are treated as such. You saw a unicorn Tom. when considered the same dogma as unicorns your mental stability is put in question. That again is not scientific method to discount something because a few people dont believe it or, more importantly, understand it.
You need not understand something to realize that it might exist. You need not understand quantum computing to realize that it will change the world forever and in unimaginable ways. Quantum mechanics in operation is akin to sorcery, PFM, so therefore it cannot be true?
Im waffling on but I think you understand.
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Kander,
"I didnt say all airline pilots I said a few."
I didn't say you were talking about all airline pilots - I was talking about the ones you claim have reported seeing flying disks to you.
"Some can report anon, and some dont bother to report at all because they apparently see inexplicable objects all the time."
How do you know this?
"That again is not scientific method to discount something because a few people dont believe it or, more importantly, understand it."
Actually, the scientific method very much depends on discounting a hypothesis. That's how they are tested. The scientific method also requires the hypothesis to be explained so other people can reproduce the results. I don't even see why the scientific method was brought into this discussion - it's like asking scientists to disprove there is a god.
"You need not understand something to realize that it might exist. You need not understand quantum computing to realize that it will change the world forever and in unimaginable ways. Quantum mechanics in operation is akin to sorcery, PFM, so therefore it cannot be true?"
Quantum mechanics is well understood. It might defy common sense but the evidence is there and the physics is sound due to it having gone through the scientific method. I don't understand your point.
"Im waffling on but I think you understand."
Not really.
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Originally posted by TomK
I didn't say you were talking about all airline pilots - I was talking about the ones you claim have reported seeing flying disks to you.
ok, and im relating what I have been told by said pilots. Some deny all mention of such topics adamantly.
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"Some can report anon, and some dont bother to report at all because they apparently see inexplicable objects all the time."
Because this is what I have been told, perhaps they are all liars.
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Actually, the scientific method very much depends on discounting a hypothesis. That's how they are tested. The scientific method also requires the hypothesis to be explained so other people can reproduce the results. I don't even see why the scientific method was brought into this discussion - it's like asking scientists to disprove there is a god.
Empirical evidence supports it. Professional eyewitness testimony supports it. Video and pictorial evidence going back years. Artistic rendition of these craft even further back before Sci-Fi was a genera. Mentions in cuneiform tablets of Sumeria, Mahabharata of india.
Which is why the scientific method must be applied, IE looking at evidence. Saying the world is flat is easily debunked using empirical evidence. The UFO problem not so easy if taken historical accounts into view.
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Quantum mechanics is well understood.
Not really. There still is no grand unification between macro and quantum mathematical models. because its not fully understood anymore than dark matter and dark energy are.
Furthermore, speaking of dark matter. does that exist? Can you put some in a box so I can see it? I mean beyond the "observed" effects of it is just a super gigantic UFO flying in space.
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“Yes there have been crashed craft, and bodies recovered. . . . We are not alone in the universe, they have been coming here for a long time. . . . I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet, and the UFO phenomenon is real.”
– Doctor Edgar Mitchell, 6th man to walk on the moon
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" ok, and im relating what I have been told by said pilots. Some deny all mention of such topics adamantly."
Once again, why have these pilots chosen to talk to you about UFOs?
" Because this is what I have been told, perhaps they are all liars."
Told to you by whom? The pilots that report to you?
" Empirical evidence supports it. Professional eyewitness testimony supports it. Video and pictorial evidence going back years. Artistic rendition of these craft even further back before Sci-Fi was a genera. Mentions in cuneiform tablets of Sumeria, Mahabharata of india.
Which is why the scientific method must be applied, IE looking at evidence. Saying the world is flat is easily debunked using empirical evidence. The UFO problem not so easy if taken historical accounts into view."
Sorry, this is utter nonsense. What is professional eyewitness testimony? Video and "pictorial" evidence going back years? Does this include the face on Mars? Cuneiform tablets are just that, centries old tablets which tell us nothing about UFOs. Mahabharata? Please just tell us how to use whatever he said that might be used by scientists. I believe you are becoming desperate. Maybe you want to bring in von Daniken next?
" Not really. There still is no grand unification between macro and quantum mathematical models. because its not fully understood anymore than dark matter and dark energy are.
Furthermore, speaking of dark matter. does that exist? Can you put some in a box so I can see it? I mean beyond the "observed" effects of it is just a super gigantic UFO flying in space."
If it were a giant UFO in space, then it would have to be everywhere in the universe. You are right in that we have not been able to unify quantum theory with general relativity, but in their own regimes they explain things extremely well. We can now observe and understand black holes while also understanding how e.g., quantum tunneling can be used to produce much more efficient and fast computers.
You are confusing things in attempt to distract the reader. Relativity, quantum mechanics and even Newton mechanics can be used successfully depending on what they are used for. Saying UFOs are alien spaceships can't.
" Yes there have been crashed craft, and bodies recovered. . . . We are not alone in the universe, they have been coming here for a long time. . . . I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet, and the UFO phenomenon is real."
I refer you to:
https://www.universetoday.com/16017/apol...ted-earth/
" In this Discovery interview, and in previous interviews, Mitchell has not offered any definite proof of his claims, and said he’s only been “told by people who were utterly sworn to secrecy” about alien visits to Earth. Mitchell grew up in Roswell, New Mexico."
Sounds a bit like the airline pilots that tell you about what all their colleagues see.
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PS. And notice that we still haven't had an explanation of the claim that UFO sightings are on the rise. There comes a point when those who believe in aliens visiting us just stop talking when their beliefs and claims are challenged.
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