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So if someone in a big truck were to "accidentally" run through the activists' blockade (bamboo and tents, not people) would that be a crime?
Similarly, if someone had backed their car into the activists' illegally built stone hut that used to be across from the VIS, would that have been a crime?
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"accidentally" ... would that be a crime?
Let me preface my comment by saying I think driving over stuff is a bad idea.
However, as an example of culpability for illegal actions:
Many years ago an ex neglected to renew her drivers license. When on the highway eight days after it expired she stopped for a left turn, blinker on, brake lights working, when a drunk plowed into her from behind, at full speed. Witnesses reported to the police officer he never touched his brakes. My ex was arrested and jailed because without a valid license she never should have been driving in the first place. The drunk had a valid license. The accident was her fault.
Qualifications: this was on the mainland, my ex, the drunk, and the police officer were all “residents.” No one was “host culture” or “guest culture.”
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quote: Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
"accidentally" ... would that be a crime?
Let me preface my comment by saying I think driving over stuff is a bad idea.
However, as an example of culpability for illegal actions:
Many years ago an ex neglected to renew her drivers license. When on the highway eight days after it expired she stopped for a left turn, blinker on, brake lights working, when a drunk plowed into her from behind, at full speed. Witnesses reported to the police officer he never touched his brakes. My ex was arrested and jailed because without a valid license she never should have been driving in the first place. The drunk had a valid license. The accident was her fault.
Qualifications: this was on the mainland, my ex, the drunk, and the police officer were all “residents.” No one was “host culture” or “guest culture.”
She should have gotten a decent lawyer. Duty to mitigate harm and prudent man theory.
Here’s a test: Try crashing into car that’s overstayed the parking time on a meter. Yes, there’ll be a ticket for a parking violation, but you would be on the hook for damage to that car.
So, of course this would apply to driving through the protesters camps. It’s now well known they are there, so drivers now have the duty to be careful. Maybe a hapless tourist might get away with it, but a local would have a harder time.
Are there warning signs anywhere?
It gets grayer when people park where parking is forbidden and even grayer when conditions are bad like fog or rain or night But then, you would normally slow down.
Maybe it comes down to what’s normal (expected) and what isn’t (unexpected). Unfortunately, it looks like these protesters and their things are the “normal”.
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quote: Originally posted by randomq
So if someone in a big truck were to "accidentally" run through the activists' blockade (bamboo and tents, not people) would that be a crime?
Similarly, if someone had backed their car into the activists' illegally built stone hut that used to be across from the VIS, would that have been a crime?
I would recommend a Ford Excursion 4x4 rental from Harper's.
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Maybe a better example would be walking up to the barricade and dragging it off the road before proceeding. Surely that would be legal?
Seems like you could hire some beefy private security types to hop out and clear the path for you, and not break any laws. Probably done often in places prone to highwaymen, and failed states.
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I don't think you'll find the observatories taking the law into their own hands. That's a job for the county and state.
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Blah, blah, blah.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/09/0...lear-road/
The activists blocking the Mauna Kea Access Road announced today “there has been word†that the state will use Hawaii National Guard troops and out-of-state law enforcement officers in the next 30 days to clear the way for construction of the Thirty Meter Telescope to begin.
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Protest leaders did not immediately respond to inquiries about the source of the reports on planning by law enforcement agencies, or how reliable those reports might be. State and county law enforcement officials have never disclosed publicly how or when they plan to clear the road, but Gov. David Ige has said his administration will “enforce the law.â€
The permitting process for the TMT including legal challenges took a decade, and construction is expected to take another 10 years. Supporters of the TMT say the project has the legal right to proceed with construction.
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today “there has been word” that the state will use Hawaii National Guard troops and out-of-state law enforcement officers in the next 30 days
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In a news release posted on social media this morning, the protesters said they have also been notified that “law enforcement is considering using excessive force by way of chemical dispersants to punish and suppress our people...”
When is the last time you heard police admit they used excessive force immediately after a confrontation? Have you ever heard police announce they’ll use excessive force BEFORE a potential standoff? Sounds like the protestors have tapped into a totally legit source.
More than likely protestors may have noticed a drop in support, or a chill in the air, so time to whip up some fear in the crowd, a little old fashioned us versus them, David versus Goliath. Rally the campers.
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I agree, it's just being used to hype up the dwindling protesters. Also unnecessary:
Unarmed police just need to collect the people blocking the road, one by one, in the most gentle and respectful way possible. Have some nice air-conditioned motorcoaches waiting to take them to Hilo and process them. Extra water, snacks, shade, and portajohns on both ends. It might take all day, but it can be done and would still cost less than the police overtime to do nothing. Of course, have to video the whole affair so the protesters can't make up bull**** about tear gas and violence. Good microphones so you can hear what the protesters say to taunt the cops.
The whole "kapu aloha" thing would be put to the test, and any bad behavior caught on video with context for the world to see. One protester attacking an unarmed police officer and their support would evaporate. Adopt a page from their playbook and use elderly kapuna cops to do the arresting. Those resisting arrest would be recorded and prosecuted.
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protestors may have noticed a drop in support
Lack of media coverage, because media doesn't bother reporting on things that aren't happening.
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