trash on Mauna Kea

[Guest]

ironyak,
I believe the TMT project could be used to see, find or collect DATA from anything that gives off light, sound, heat or simply moves through the Northern Hemisphere.
The gathering of more Light, Lasers, Adaptive optics and an abundance of properly placed mirrors may help with Spying on other countries "Russian" space satilites.

PS. The I Scratch your back you scratch my back theory.
Adaptive Optics was only being used by the military, Now this large land based Telescope dream is a race. NASA may help fund the Astrophisic and astronomy communities for the possibilities of ideas like GPS or better Storing Data capabilities.

[ironyak]

It would take some very special mirrors to detect the sound coming off an object...

Is there anyone you would listen to that could change your mind about these beliefs?

[EightFingers]

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Originally posted by Dreamcatcher88



Would the TMT need to be in the Northern Hemisphere so we and our "Allies" can have a giant "EYE" on Russia

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That’’’’’’’’’’’s the funniest thing I’ve read hear in quite a few years. *


Extra apostrophes added for Tom K’s enjoyment.

Puna: Our roosters crow first

[Punatic007]

I would be thrilled if the telescopes could benefit our military in some way. Dreamcatcher may I suggest you go for an extended visit in China or better yet a country such as Burma/Myanmar one of many currently recovering from being severely pillaged and polluted by China.

Not sure why so many people want to live in fantasies of the past and hold USA to a higher standard than everyone else. Sure America is not crystal clean but we are far better than most.

There are some serious threats in the world, this is not a time to demonize our military.

[birdmove]

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Originally posted by EightFingers

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Originally posted by Dreamcatcher88



Would the TMT need to be in the Northern Hemisphere so we and our "Allies" can have a giant "EYE" on Russia

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That’’’’’’’’’’’s the funniest thing I’ve read hear in quite a few years. *


Extra apostrophes added for Tom K’s enjoyment.

Puna: Our roosters crow first

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But, Sarah Palin can see russia from her house.

Jon in Keaau/HPP

[randomq]

DC88, actions speak louder than words: Whatever the protesters were complaining about, they were blocking a road which stopped a telescope from being built. Local government was complicit, so Ige and Kim were also stopping a telescope from being built. We should erect a monument to their stupidity as well. Perhaps a giant stone sculpture of a broken down tent blocking the entrance to the county parking lot.

ETA: as to military applications, the only one that comes to mind would be looking at or tracking things in orbit. Neither offends me.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

The Over or under line is 25% of the viewing time.

I'll take those odds Dreamcatcher88, but first I have a few questions:

1) How will we determine NASA has viewing time?
2) Who will we ask about the percent of viewing time?
3) Do you also have an over/under on that giant EYE on Russia? I may want to get in on that "properly placed mirror" action too. Sounds like pinball, and I like playing old school pinball.

I assume since you offer specific odds to back up your remarks, you must have information, or "know a guy" who will confirm actual numbers when the time comes for us to settle up. Thanks, I look forward to your reply.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

military applications... looking at or tracking things in orbit.

There are two observatories on Haleakala which do just that. They are both relatively small and nimble, and are specifically designed for rapid movement. Satellites in low earth orbit move across the sky from horizon to horizon in a matter of minutes. See the ISS thread on Punaweb, the average for the space station is 2-6 minutes.

The TMT has a large dome and a large mirror and I don't believe those two components could traverse the sky as quickly as would be required for following satellites. Most spy satellites are in low earth orbit, because the closer they are to their objective, the larger the image and the clearer the resolution. Also, if they move rapidly with the capability to alter their orbit, it's difficult for the visual target to know precisely when they're being watched.

Here's a pdf with info on the TMT. Hit your Ctrl F keys and search for "track" if you'd like details.
https://www.tmt.org/download/Document/13/original

[randomq]

Good point HotPE, I'd say the "military applications" angle is not looking very feasible...

[TomK]

Thanks, HOTPE for essentially laying out the reason the TMT is not being built and will not be capable of observing spy satellites. There are already telescopes that do this, ones that can track satellites in low Earth orbit and the TMT will be too big and clumsy to do that. It is designed to observe celestial objects such as planets, stars, and galaxies and is not designed for military applications.

But this is just another attempt to distract us from the mess the protesters left on the mountain. Some TMT supporters went up to help clean up the site, e.g.,

http://www.astronomyhawaii.com/tmt-suppo...ssy-mauna/

and then you read this:

"“Nobody cares about the mauna more than we do,” Perez said, adding that the weekend cleanup did not completely clear the area, but is a “big step forward” toward removing all the abandoned property.

Contrary to reports, the volunteers did not include TMT supporters, Perez said."

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/202...test-site/

So according to Perez, no TMT supporters were involved in the efforts and there's still cleanup to do, it's just a "big step forward".

Wasn't that area clean before the protesters turned up?