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(09-24-2020, 07:10 AM)TomK Wrote: I have not heard of people hunting turkeys before.
I 've seen it on Molokai, but don't know about the BI.
Plenty there, but folks say that they taste too much like red dirt to eat unless you are really hungry.
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(09-24-2020, 07:10 AM)TomK Wrote: I have not heard of people hunting turkeys before. Tom, turkey hunting is mostly mauka & Kona side, the meat is a bit gamey (ie only good for stew stock), except for the chest, which is usually very good.
There are game bird drip catchment areas all around the mauka Kona side of Mauna Kea hunting station areas, & you will often find turkey nearby these (along with partridge, pheasant, erckelʻs & other francolins)
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Frau Chunkster and I have actually observed turkeys along the old Saddle Road section that is now bypassed by the new version, but still useable. I'm told they are more clever than the pheasants and not as easy to bag. We've also seen goats along the newer sections of the road, but have only seen sheep when hiking well off the highway.
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(09-23-2020, 06:29 AM)MikeyMike11 Wrote: (09-23-2020, 05:24 AM)terracore Wrote: Since the OP is apparently interested in meat self-sufficiency, if one takes measures to control the mongoose population (and sometimes even if they don't) the jungle seems to spit out an inexhaustible supply of chickens to eat Watch out for semi slugs on everything in your garden and in the jungle these days. They carry rat lung worm disease. We have them in the yard so bad nowadays that it’s hard to work on the greenery without getting them on you. I suspect they would get really bad in a big compost pile.
I have been wondering if the semi slugs that the chickens (and ducks) eat make them sick ? Also, I have wondered about Handling/eating the chicken eggs from the outdoors when you suspect they have slug trails on them.
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(09-25-2020, 03:33 AM)Ccat Wrote: (09-23-2020, 06:29 AM)MikeyMike11 Wrote: (09-23-2020, 05:24 AM)terracore Wrote: Since the OP is apparently interested in meat self-sufficiency, if one takes measures to control the mongoose population (and sometimes even if they don't) the jungle seems to spit out an inexhaustible supply of chickens to eat Watch out for semi slugs on everything in your garden and in the jungle these days. They carry rat lung worm disease. We have them in the yard so bad nowadays that it’s hard to work on the greenery without getting them on you. I suspect they would get really bad in a big compost pile.
I have been wondering if the semi slugs that the chickens (and ducks) eat make them sick ? Also, I have wondered about Handling/eating the chicken eggs from the outdoors when you suspect they have slug trails on them. That's a really good point, but I'm thinking that if you cook the meat thoroughly (duck and chicken), it will kill the parasite, which is a nematode. If it were something like a virus, or a prion disease, I would be more concerned. I plan on raising my beds off the ground, in a greenhouse, and we only need about 10 x 4 space for our kitchen herbs. We do like tomatoes, but I heard they do not grow well in Hawaii. Anything I would grow in the ground would probably need to be thoroughly cooked, so sweet potatoes and taro basically... After all my reading about the disease, I've been afraid to eat anything else I grow outside. My littlest gets into EVERYTHING. I am worried about her just sticking a straight up slug in her mouth (I've seen her eat ants, so...). Maybe I'm just worried for no reason!
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(09-24-2020, 09:46 PM)ChunksterK Wrote: Frau Chunkster and I have actually observed turkeys along the old Saddle Road section that is now bypassed by the new version, but still useable. I'm told they are more clever than the pheasants and not as easy to bag. We've also seen goats along the newer sections of the road, but have only seen sheep when hiking well off the highway. Many years ago Pam and I were driving back from the Kona side when some really weird large birds ran across the Saddle road quite a distance in front of us. IIRC this was between PTA and the turn-off for Mauna Kea. My first thought was that we just saw some ostriches, I'd never seen anything quite like it before. They were large and incredibly fast, but too far away to get a good view. Now, I had seen ostriches before, but in Africa, not on the BI, so all the way back to Hilo I was wondering what we saw. This is when I found out that wild turkeys lived on the island. This would have been the early 2000s.
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"We do like tomatoes, but I heard they do not grow well in Hawaii."
Actually, they grow really well here. Oddly enough, the "Hawaii" tomatoes developed by the university are some of the worst performers we've found.
The keys to success aren't that difficult. You'll need to protect them from the rain to keep them from splitting, and you'll want to stick with thick skinned varieties. Use a good tomato-specific fertilizer with calcium so you don't get blossom end rot. You can get a season or two before the blights start affecting the plants and then you'll have to grow something else in the soil for a year or so. We grow ours in pots under a clear tarp, though there are some varieties we grow that do well in regular raised beds. Being a smooth-skinned fruit it's easy to clean them to make sure there is no RLW.
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I don't know what size the lots are where the original poster is going to be living. In HPP, where I live, they are mostly an acre. We do have a chicken coop. But, there seems to be a constant procession of chickens wandering onto, and often moving, onto our lot. I sometimes trap them in a cage and give them away. And while I don't kill and butcher them, my neighbor does butcher them. So, this f I am unable to catch them, I sometimes have to kill the birds myself, and give them to my neighbor to butcher them.
I can tell you that, even the very inexpensive Daisy Model 880 multi a pump air rifle, with a scope, and shooting lead pellets, once sighted in, will take wild chickens quietly and unobtrusively. Of course a safe backstop is mandatory. Out to 10-15 yards, the $40 880 works fine.
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(09-24-2020, 09:46 PM)ChunksterK Wrote: Frau Chunkster and I have actually observed turkeys along the old Saddle Road section that is now bypassed by the new version, but still useable. I'm told they are more clever than the pheasants and not as easy to bag. We've also seen goats along the newer sections of the road, but have only seen sheep when hiking well off the highway.
I accidentally hit a turkey driving Hwy 11 downhill many years ago, between Volcano and Mountain View. A motorist heading uphill witnessed this and swooped in on the kill immediately.
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To birdmove: The OP said the home being purchased was in Hawaiian Shores, where most of the lots are between 9,000 - 15,000 sqft ( a few are either a bit smaller or larger ). The Shores is zoned Residential, with plenty CCRs, among which is the restriction of not raising chickens. That restriction seems to keep the number of feral chickens down considerably.
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