cinder question

[Beachboy]

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Beachboy, I was quoted $205.00 a 30 yard load for the red cinder and $220.00 for the black cinder. That is from Bryson in Pahoa.

HADave, I think what you are thinking about is the crushed basalt rock. It was, I believe, developed at U of H.

To all, thanks for your thoughts. I’m still confused but hey, what’s new! I’ll make the decision today so it can be delivered tomorrow for spreading on Wednesday.


Royall

What goes around comes around!

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mahalo Royall! So what did you finally go with, the Black Cinder?

[jdirgo]

Aloha, Beachboy, sadly the short answer to your question is "it depends". It would depend on your lot size, how deep you want the cinder to be, and a lot of other things.

John Dirgo, RA, ABR, e-PRO
Island Trust Properties, LLC
808-987-9243 cell
http://www.hawaiirealproperty.com

[Royall]

Hey Beachboy,

I had 4 loads of black 1 of red delivered today. The red is for some accent trim in the yard. I just like the looks of the black out in the yard and will be planting some kind of grass on it. No.... not the smokin kind!

Royall

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[Carolann R]

Royall, our lot is all black lava cinder...it looks very nice and we DO have ants but our neighbors across the stree also have the ants and they have only grass and many trees, etc. I don't know that the lava has anything to do with the ants. We had a couple of mainland visitors last Monday and they said it looks like it was laid yesterday (the black lava)...the weeds pull out real easy and anything will grow in it from what I hear. We have started mulching around the banana trees but Tony likes the fact he won't be mowing the entire lot LOL

Carrie

"To be one, to be united is a great thing. But to respect the right to be different is maybe even greater." Bono
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[Carey]

Dave, the discussion you remember was on the post vs slab, and it was about the physical barrier University of Hawaii developed using a special sized basalt
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~entomol/pdf_files/hsp-3.pdf
Aloha, Carey

[HADave]

Thanks Carey, Great info...printing it this time )

Dave

[KeithLee]

Royall how much lot did those 4 loads of black cover and how deep is the cinder after you spread it?

"I'll take the path of least resistance...thanks anyway."

[Royall]

Tony, we ended up with 6 loads of the black cinders. The ground in several areas was very uneven and I wanted it to look as flat as possible. How far did it go? I don’t know how to answer that one. Take a look at the photos I posted the other day in the “Building in Puna”. I think the average depth is about 3-4”.

Royall

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[Lucy]

Hi Royall,

I'll give you and Cat some tips.
Living here in S. Texas the fire ants were all around on everyones yard when we built the house here.
Amdro is what we have always used and it works well and Spectracide as I remember does too. But Amdro is very reliable for many years now. We kept after them for the first five years and then we now only would see them very occasionally. They used to love to get into the potted plants soil though and I would bring them in the house for the winter and then the ants would crawl out and chase you around the room. HA also if it rained a lot at once they would trail into the house. They chose the pots because it drained well.

Once you have disturbed them by moving the boards though they will have spread out to different spots. But I would think I would used the 'over and out' product and broadcast it and then the Amdro if I saw some somewhere in a plant or elsewhere. Here they don't always mound up like they used to either, since I think there is less in a colony than before because we and the neighbors all worked on gettibg rid of them.

There is a product that supposed to work, although I have not tried it. http://www.pestproducts.com/over_n_out.htm
This is also used for flea control and is the active ingredient of Frontline for dogs and cats.

If you do not want to go the chemical route and don't mind the slow route, you can always pour five gallons of boiling water on a mound and you will see the pupa and adults float up and die and you will see tons of them that did not make it. Then you really know that there were lots more down there than one would have thought.

I have a Clerodendrum 'bungei' that puts out a very sweet scented blossom and they are always on that plant. They must suck the juices off of it. I know that they like the fruits and things like that also. They actually can kill a puppy or kitten if they lay out on the ground.

Here in Tx. we also have the killer bees....
I hope that you are able to get rid of then along with Kapoho cat. If the bite me, I never itch it but put some Benedryl cream right in it, then the next day also use it. Then it reacts better when healing also, than if you itch it. Must spread the poison more when you scratch it.

Lucy

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What is the best way to get rid of them? I came across some when I was moving a pile of lumber.

Royall

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Having another Great day in Paradise, Wherever that Maybe!
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[Fishboy]

Lucy,
Thanks so much for giving such a comprehensive explanation on these little buggahs. The web site you provided didn't say so, but I wonder if that Over'n Out stuff sounds like the micro-encapsulated stuff I've used for fleas here in Washington State. Also, I saw the web site has this caveat:

Each 10 pound bag of Over'n Out! Fire ant Killer granules covers 5,000 square feet and is only $19.99, plus S&H. Can only be shipped to AL, AR, CA, FL, GA, LA, MS, NM, NC, OK, SC, TN and TX. Cannot be shipped to other states.

Looks like it can't be shipped to Hawaii.

I've wondered about pest control on the BI for some time, and have wondered if this micro-encapsulated type of spray would be advisable. My thought is that, since it doesn't discriminate, it'd kill anything that walks on it, including geckos. While I'd love to know of an effective control for fire ants and centipedes, finding a dead gecko would bum me out.

Best regards,
Brian