Green says masks will be last to go

[HawaiiEV]

I’m not sure why the anti-masker statement? Not very strong arguments to be made with name calling. It’s simply not true, everyone wore their masks in Hawaii, except for maybe the mayor of Honolulu and Obama I saw in pictures. I never once saw someone not wearing their masks in public, except of course those sitting at a table. I wore my mask as instructed and I still got covid, had to of come through the mask because I was isolated otherwise. If there were people not wearing masks they must have been a very small minority, I still wear my mask even though I know it does nothing.

I highlighted the Sweden example because they didn’t lockdown, they didn’t close schools and do not require school children to mask, these are the things I perceive to be most damaging that we did. The truth is the experts were wrong about everything, I remember a few months ago when fauci was explaining that Georgia and Florida were going to be overrun by Covid do to not masking, it wasn’t true, neither was Biden’s wishing a winter of death. Statistically between states with different policies and countries with different policy’s the waves ran through identically.

I do believe the governments encouraging fresh air, exercise and healthy diet would have been more beneficial. The single largest Correlating factor besides age for death from covid was obesity. Instead they encouraged the opposite which resulted in unprecedented weight gain in this country. I know that when I lost my job during the lockdown I gained weight and was depressed.


Here’s a quote from an article about Sweden and their policy for children:

Schools in Sweden have instead been told to take preventive measures such as spending time outdoors, emphasising good hand hygiene, avoiding crowding, and ensuring pupils stay at home if they develop coronavirus symptoms.

I think the reason we did so well in Hawaii is because we are outside year round and aside from Honolulu not very densely populated, in addition to the warm climate which seems to have a positive effect, Africa did very well. Easy to surmise the biggest factor was population density for spread, in addition to age and obesity/health for mortality.

[kalakoa]

Your just pissed off that you were lied to about its safety and efficacy.

No judgement about safety or efficacy can yet be made, but the early results are that vaccination has fewer side effects than COVID. Suggest revisiting this in a decade or two.

nobody is going to get compensated for the wrongdoing done to them

Nobody was ever going to be compensated for anything anyway. That's just not how it works.

[HawaiiEV]

Here you can see the states by covid statistics and population. Doesn’t seem to be much of a difference despite the narrative of say California doing everything they could, and Florida doing as little as they could. Statistically insignificant, although Florida does have the most elderly population.
   

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[ChunksterK]

Here's a link to what is perhaps a more meaningful state by state statistic, deaths per 100,000 population:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109...-by-state/

Florida has to date experienced 326 covid deaths per 100K, while California had 216, about a 50% difference in favor of California. Texas did a little better than Florida at 293, and Hawaii was at the bottom with 94. For once, it's good for Hawaii to be at the bottom.

[HawaiiEV]

Do you think masking is a predictor of covid deaths? I don’t see how they could be related, the goal of the mask and other lockdown policy is to stop the spread which as the case counts show is not Likely a factor, case counts seem to go based on state population. As for covid outcomes including death it would be more logical to look at age, such as Florida’s elderly population, obesity and other health problems correlated with death. If one wanted to correlate death rate per capita you would have to notice New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Michigan who had very high death rates, much higher then California, Texas and Florida, despite very strict lockdown policy. I see a lot more correlation when looking at states by obesity and death rates per capita including Mississippi at the top and Hawaii at the bottom.

   

I think it’s pretty clear what factors affect covid outcomes. I do not think lockdown and masking policies did anything statistically significant to stop the spread of covid, they did do a lot of real harm though which I felt myself. All of this does not address the fact that the children who were innocent, at little risk from covid and forced to deal with some of the harshest lockdown consequences, some of which will last a lifetime. I’m asking that we look at the situation objectively now that it’s over and learn what we did wrong, who suffered from bad guidance and learn from it.

[MyManao]

I highlighted the Sweden example because they didn’t lockdown, they didn’t close schools and do not require school children to mask, these are the things I perceive to be most damaging that we did...

Actually, I suspect you continue to highlight Sweden because other's have. What do you know yourself about Sweden, anything?

I know very little, but my granddaughter married a Swede. She now has dual citizenship and spends most of the year there. She's a snowbird, comes home in the deep of winter, but otherwise is raising her family there. So I've had a chance to hear what it's like from a different source. 

From what I gather Sweden didn't impose national guidelines because in their society they defer to local authority over national, and as a much more cooperative, rather than argumentative, society overall they followed measures that trickled up from communities rather than down from their national leadership. My granddaughter who has experienced both our's and their's said they came out to about the same, but because of that lack of national guidance those, in the USA, that want to argue against things have turned it into an issue it never was.

But hey, mine's only antidotal, I am sure you have better sources, know better..

[ChunksterK]

"New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Michigan who had very high death rates, much higher then California, Texas and Florida . . . "

Yes, they did, but the first three you mention were at the epicenter of the early pandemic when mitigation efforts were put in place only after massive outbreaks were well under way. That happened when the idiot Trump closed the US to travelers from China, but not places like Italy where covid was raging and there is always high volume traffic to the Northeast of the US. Michigan had a lot of insane rednecks who refused to comply with recommendations even when they were marching into the state capitol with guns, and now they have fewer.

[HawaiiEV]

I guess people here want to assume the media is lying and that anecdotal evidence is best, I have not been there to verify if it’s true, although I did see many pictures, videos and their own government officials speaking on the issue. I do believe that state statistics I posted show what I’m talking about, differences in covid policy did not have meaningful impact on rates of covid infection. There are far to many factors in death from covid to begin discussing that on this forum. I have no interest in infantile bigotry and the arguments to come so I will not engage in the rest. Wish you all well, now that covid is behind us we can all rebuild our lives and ready ourselves for the challenges ahead. Aloha

[kander]

Your just pissed off that you were lied to about its safety and efficacy.

No judgement about safety or efficacy can yet be made, but the early results are that vaccination has fewer side effects than COVID. Suggest revisiting this in a decade or two.

nobody is going to get compensated for the wrongdoing done to them

Nobody was ever going to be compensated for anything anyway. That's just not how it works.

Yea I think you can make judgment, over a million adverse reactions reported at vaers including tens of thousands of dead and over 100K permanently messed up so far (eventually death) is mighty telling. But you know we could hash this over/back and fourth till the cows come home. The pandemic is small fries, we get to worry about getting into a war now.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

 … till the cows come home. 

The barn called.  The cows came home.
(Don’t forget to beat the dead horse when you get there)