Gov. David Ige says state indoor mask mandate to end March 25

[malahini]

Sorry kalianna, I am trying my best to keep the conversation on Hawaii specifically. I didn't name any other specific places.

As for Manao's thing about me not having the credentials, there are many who do who would agree with me. I read opinions from about half a dozen different epidemiologists, masters of public health, practicing doctors. Some of them being all three.

The science just isn't conclusive except on the most basic NPIs (isolating when sick etc). You don't need to be a medical doctor to research this yourself. Of course everyone has differing opinions, but I think it's pretty factual to say that we just don't have any proof the vast majority of these interventions that weren't tried and true methods had much effect. Even Cochrane (basically a pubmed that takes out the trash), agrees with me on lack of evidence for masking.

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https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/...tter-close

^^^ Just one of many who agree with me with expertise in this field. He specializes in Hematology Oncology, tends to some of the worst covid patients when he is in the ER, is a master of public health, and is an associate professor of epidemiology and biostatistics.

He also wrote books on evidence based medicine, interpreting clinical trials, and has many papers with many citations.

https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ym4rwk0AAAAJ&hl=en

There are those with even more impressive credentials too...

Edit: And as for isolating focused protection of the vulnerable, it would have had about the same effect as the other interventions but at a much lower cost. It likely wouldn't have worked that much better, but at least you could have tried without screwing over everyone else.

[Obie]

Edit: And as for isolating the vulnerable, it would have had about the same effect as the other interventions but at a much lower cost.

You want to put people in concentration camps because they are vulnerable ??

[MyManao]

Vinay Prasad..

Seriously? I would offer to help you dig that hole, but you seem to be doing such a good job of it all by yourself..

From.. https://tuftsdaily.com/news/2022/03/08/c...s-to-gsbs/

Controversial oncologist Dr. Vinay Prasad disavowed by dean, lectures to GSBS

Dr. Vinay Prasad delivered a virtual lecture to the Tufts Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences on Feb. 17 following GSBS Dean Daniel Jay’s disavowal of one of Prasad’s blog posts, which Jay characterized as antisemitic.

Several GSBS students and faculty objected to Tufts offering Prasad a platform to speak in light of his blog posts and other public comments about COVID-19, which they argue undermine public health and inappropriately invoke Nazism by comparing current mask and vaccine requirements to totalitarianism in Nazi Germany.

 

In the past year, Prasad has published blog posts, articles and videos criticizing the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics, among other institutions, for their COVID-19 policies and rhetoric.

The thing you seem to have a problem with is folks here are tired of that kind of woo woo.. maybe you'd be happier on Facebook..

[malahini]

I should reword that to say focused protection. As in those who wish to isolate can, and have very strict rules for people who work at managed care facilities.

As for Manao's thing again, veering waayyy off topic, but I don't disagree with his characterization of the situation. (Btw pretty good summary of the situation Manao linked, it's actually pretty fair and balanced to both sides).

And that wasn't about his professional opinion on things, but rather his comparison that upset some people. But hey, if you have to resort to ad hom, well I think it's clear why that is.

I guess this carries over to Cochrane too? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochrane_Library

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

isolating the vulnerable,
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put people in concentration camps

Or like eugenics, we can separate out the weaker, less desirable members of society.

[malahini]

No one said they had to remain isolated if they didn't wish to be. I know people who did this voluntarily. I don't believe in using coercive measures without extremely solid evidence to suggest it would enhance people's rights.

[Or1on]

I mentioned that I had a question between staying masked and preventing contact with colds and flus verses unmasking and exposing oneself to common viruses to build immunity and this is your response HOTPE:

"So when you get a cold your immune system becomes so strong you never get a cold again?  Or you’d rather get sick to strengthen your immune system than eating right and exercising?"

lol!  Really?  

So you understand and not just tangent elsewhere ill clarify:  Lets just say eating right and exercising is a constant between two control groups.  One (group A) is exposed to minor viruses over 2 years (not necessarily getting sick every time like you assumed) and the other (group B) isn't.

Both control groups eventually get exposed to a flu virus 2 years later.  Wouldn't group B get more sick after not being exposed to anything for 2 years?

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

So you understand and not just tangent elsewhere ill clarify: 

Can exposing yourself to bacteria and viruses strengthen your immune system? Yes.
Is the best, healthiest, least stressful way in which your body can do so?  Is it on the list of methods recommended by medical professionals? No.
That's not a tangent.  That's a direct line connecting two dots.

[Durian Fiend]

Wow, and I thought Neanderthals were the ones complaining about masks.

Genes, diabetes, high blood pressure, age, obesity, low vitamin D- so many risk factors for severe illness.

Why didn't Ige tell us? Oh yeah, he didn't know and nor did anyone else. I doubt that knowledge would have made a difference in the pandemic response anyway.

[AaronM]

Yawn.