RAINGEAR

['elepaio]

Anything labeled " breathable" ( as a material ) including GoreTex is only as good as the outer surface.. Hence the big DWR finish.tout. If water cannot bead off
i e. if the outer surface is saturated, vapor cannot escape directly THROUGH it as they may show in " lab tests ". IMO the design and material weight are more important. Anyway, its all a balance.

Ponchos are awesome, from the amazingly versatile Military Longer length ones to more modern sleevy kine.

These are so easy here as well since we don't have a ton of breeze. And seriously, the 1.99 at Walmart " emergency " ones work BETTER than any short waist x $$$ brand that you will never use anyway in the forest to work ..lol. Buy 2 !! Wear a BB hat over or under the hood and all good

For the price, can keep multiple back ups if bushwalk or even hand out as aloha

Shoots, even a backpack fits under..

Lamenting they not cut 6-12 " longer and cover knees on bike too for over 5'10" . 5'4" all good : ) No reason to spend more here. Seriously.

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Posting in blocks here.

Forgot to say, all this is Big Island real world. Working / playing land, commuting rain or shine. May not be relevant for Mainland or up Volcano ( colder temp ) folks.

Big Jacket and pants rule ..LOL, my father ( Stockbroker ) used to say " i want his job " whenever we passed a flag waver.. i did not get it ' till much later in life ..Oh yeah ..id be so good at that now .. Dedicated even. Love they rain gear.

Big and long . Calgule even. Anorak ( waxed or oiled kine commitment kine : )

On pants ..IMO for working outside in rain and jungle ( think hand clearing ) Nylon rules. Gusset crotch and prebent knee cut a luxury.

The nylon is tough and doesn't feel clammy even though its right against your skin when soaked. It dries as super fast and DOES NOT hold your stink like poly does for life.

Shorts are great but if you really going in and bushwhacking, stay with pants at least 'till you get a path going. And always select the longer inseam, can always roll them up for Shorts / knickers +++ tuck into socks when boots drying to keep mosquitoes off. The zip off ones, like keens and " tropical" vented shirts are for tourists and youtube jockeys. Just rollem bra'

If cold ( wet may be risky ) or just really need to be dry legs, just look for cheepest vinyl / plastics with elastic waist ..wear how you want under.

These are good for cycling and doing errands / end up clean.. bc they just block. Go slower if u no want sweaty ..Fancy goretex no better here anyway when exertion exceeds the fabrics ability to " breathe " ..full circle it comes back to design.

['elepaio]

Lastly,

im Lifa Vermont age, in outdoor industry since demoing first gen Gerry gortex 78' ish..

Normal Folks, save your money. And also don't get lured into budget friendly Frog Togs... 4x try here... PW not for product reviews i know Rob. That said, mo betta get the 1.99. poncho .. nuff said

[TomK]

Wear swim shorts, slippahs, and quick-dry clothing.

Or ignore the rain, since it's just a government plot to control what you wear, and umbrellas cause autism.

That's why it's hard to find silver-colored umbrellas. They reflect government radar waves all over the place so they can't locate and track you no matter how much rain they pour on you. Note that when it's raining, you can't see chemtrails, so it all fits together as one big government conspiracy.

Always take a shower afterward in case any of the secret nanoprobes are still attached to you. Unidentified Chinese balloons are known to drop millions of these things once they fly overland. If you can't get them off your skin you tend to go on long rants about insignificant things.

In the meantime, I've always found a small foldable umbrella quite useful, and don't wear expensive shoes.

[TomK]

Of course, HAWAIIFEL != elepaio

[kalianna]

Donʻt think so. One hasnʻt mastered emojis.

[HAWAIIFEL]

Of course, HAWAIIFEL != elepaio

Oh. You know elipaio? Tell me more so I can address this person  with proper pronoun.  Thats quite interesting to know how i became an alter ego of someone or maybe all people of the threads im replying, to?   Sorry to disappoint you Mister,  your indictment is pure hearsay.  

I like your confidence. Keep it up. 

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Donʻt think so.  One hasnʻt mastered 

You're keen. Appreciate it. 

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Anything labeled " breathable" ( as a material ) including GoreTex is only as good as the outer surface.. Hence the big DWR finish.tout.  If water cannot bead off
i e.  if the outer surface is saturated, vapor cannot escape directly THROUGH it as they may show in " lab tests ". IMO the design and material weight are more important. Anyway, its all a balance.

Ponchos are awesome, from the amazingly versatile Military Longer length ones to more modern sleevy kine.

These are so easy here as well since we don't have a ton of breeze. And seriously, the 1.99  at Walmart " emergency " ones work BETTER than any short waist x $$$ brand that you will never use anyway in the forest to work ..lol. Buy 2 !! Wear a BB hat over or under the hood and all good

For the price, can keep multiple back ups if bushwalk or even hand out as aloha

Shoots, even a backpack fits under..

Lamenting they not cut 6-12 "  longer and cover knees on bike too for over 5'10" . 5'4" all good : )  No reason to spend more here. Seriously.

---

Posting in blocks here.

Forgot to say, all this is Big Island real world. Working / playing land, commuting rain or shine. May not be relevant for Mainland or up Volcano ( colder temp ) folks.

Big Jacket and pants rule ..LOL, my father ( Stockbroker ) used to say  " i want his job " whenever we passed a flag waver.. i did not get it ' till much later in life ..Oh yeah ..id be so good at that now .. Dedicated even. Love they rain gear.

Big and long . Calgule even. Anorak ( waxed or oiled kine commitment kine  : )

On pants ..IMO for working outside in rain and jungle ( think hand clearing ) Nylon rules. Gusset crotch  and prebent knee cut a luxury.

The nylon is tough and doesn't feel clammy even though its right against your skin when soaked. It dries as super fast and DOES NOT hold your stink like poly does for life.

Shorts are great but if you really going in and bushwhacking, stay with pants at least 'till you get a path going. And always select the longer inseam, can always roll them up for Shorts / knickers +++ tuck into socks when boots drying to keep mosquitoes off. The zip off ones, like keens and " tropical"  vented shirts are for tourists and youtube jockeys. Just rollem bra'

If cold ( wet may be risky )  or just really need to be dry legs, just look for cheepest vinyl / plastics with elastic waist ..wear how you want under.

These are good for cycling and doing errands / end up clean.. bc  they just block. Go slower if u no want sweaty ..Fancy goretex no better here anyway when exertion exceeds the fabrics ability to " breathe "  ..full circle it comes back to design.

This is too much to comprehend. My retention is very low.  But hey! Appreciate your effort. I can see your sincerity in sharing your knowlege- not everyone can.  A for Effort.  

['elepaio]

Aye tanks eh' and WELCOME to the underworld .. LOL.

I knew it was only a matter of time for one of the 'giants' to mis - identified you. Thats they way of asserting whatervers.

Now where's those emote geez.

Speaking of rain, i appreciate your sardonic wit already .. Like water off a duxbak ( had too modify for vintage gear prosperity )

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[TomK]

Donʻt think so.  One hasnʻt mastered emojis.

Do you still hold that opinion?

[TomK]

PS: i did my research and thats the reason why i have lots of rain gears because i bought all those recommendations. but still..... 

You have to admire a person who researched how to stay dry when it rains and bought a bunch of gears based on their own studies and other's recommendations. How about citing some of the studies you read? Here's one you must have read, and it's all about umbrellas:

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.10...acc9f/meta

"It is a common experience that raindrops falling vertically appear to fall at an angle to a moving person. When trying to describe the sheltered area provided by an umbrella from the viewpoints of both moving and stationary observers, at first glance it may appear that the descriptions for the sheltered area in these two frames are not identical. It is shown as well as illustrated by simulation that the sheltered areas are indeed identical in both these frames as expected. The physics behind this is explained and in the process confirming distances, angles, and consequently areas, remain invariant under a Galilean transformation. The detailed treatment of the problem given in this paper may help undergraduate students gain a robust understanding of the important concepts of frame of reference and Galilean transformation."

['elepaio]

im up late,

WOW Tom,
such a takedown, you posted.. This has to be the weakest, most milquetoast thing you have ever posted here. Did you even read it first ?? Holy crap man, your losing it.. Lets hear YOU bolster ANY of the points in that thing above ..lol .

eta, godbsmacked ..this can't be the real TomK.

Not being mean now, more like worried about and old friend