Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs

[leilanidude]

Road Money is road money.
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Mailboxes are placed at the side of the road and roads are used to get to those mailboxes.

Perfectly acceptable that road money is used for mailboxes.

[Obie]

What happened to Rob's rule about excessive quoting ?

[Moderator 2]

What happened to Rob's rule about excessive quoting ?

I’ve considered deleting most of the quoting made in entirety but it would become a full time job.

It’s unnecessary to include paragraphs and paragraphs from a previous comment and then reply with a word or short sentence.  It makes the thread difficult to read.

For those who currently hit the reply button and leave all of it unedited:
1) please delete all but the essential sentence or two you are replying too.
Or
2) there is a number in the upper right hand corner of each comment.  Use that at the top of your reply so we know what you are referring too.

Thank you

[Obie]

Thank you .

[Patricia]

Road Money is road money.
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Mailboxes are placed at the side of the road and roads are used to get to those mailboxes.

Perfectly acceptable that road money is used for mailboxes.

And I agree with that perfectly reasonable explanation. However, mailboxes are now being relocated enmasse off the roadside and into mailbox arenas (2,000 MBUs) at a crack). So, NOT roads.

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Also, HiloJulie, what happened with our discussion?

You ask questions, expect answers, and others give answers, but you are not always as forthcoming. Did you not find a Funding Model (several) that are worth consideration?

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

mailboxes are now being relocated enmasse off the roadside and into mailbox arenas (2,000 MBUs) at a crack)

Is there additional room for more mailboxes on the roadside? If not, where would new mailboxes be located?

[Obie]

Patricia

"Anyone from ANY substandard subdivision in Puna, Hawaii, have concerns about their road fees and their associations?"

No the road fees are minuscule for everything that is done. An office with friendly employees, GM, road crew, club house main roads etc.

"Do you like your associations? Why or why not? "

Yes with the exception of a rabid group of association/ board haters but every association has a dedicated group of haters.

"Do you feel you are getting your road maintenance bang for your buck? Why or why not?"

Yes I do but I already explained that.

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Now a question for Patricia.

Why do you insist on cramming your version of the history of Puna subdivisions down the throats of people who have lived here through that history 1st hand.

Anyone moving to Puna can use a Google search and find out anything they need to know. Even Punaweb has a search and if you just search for HPP, you will come up with hundreds of topics but the history is mostly no longer relevant .

I also have told you that you are missing a big part of the Puna subdivisions and you blew me off.
The drug culture greatly defined some of the subdivisions and it's not really found in any records of the time.

[leilanidude]

However, mailboxes are now being relocated enmasse off the roadside and into mailbox arenas (2,000 MBUs) at a crack). So, NOT roads.
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Doing this now may result in those 20 acre lots finally used for the rest of the uses that they were originally designed to be. Or, keep refusing the mailboxes and those 20 acre lots will never have a reason to get that development. Road improvements probably need to be made to enable proper use of those lots for the mailbox uses. I would consider parking lots to be a part of road money.

[Patricia]

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Doing this now may result in those 20 acre lots finally used for the rest of the uses that they were originally designed to be. 

Parking lots, just like driveways, are not roads. The County does not use their road budget to pave Walmart, Safeway, or any Hilo business parking lot (unless it's a County business). 

Development of the 20 acre lots is HPPOA's issue. HPPOA owns the lots. HPP Owners do not. This holds true for the HPPOA clubhouse house as well- which is why Owners have to pay to use it.  

If HPPOA wants to develop their lots, then they need to find a means, other than road fee money, to fund that development. 

Moving mailboxes, because it "may" result in the 20 acre lots being used for what they were meant, is not even close to realistic. And in violating deed restrictions, on all four lots, it is quite possible that HPPOA could lose those lots.

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Patricia
Why do you insist on cramming your version of the history of Puna subdivisions down the throats of people who have lived here through that history 1st hand.

Mr. O. you only superfilously answered the questions and even then, were rude about it. "Board haters?"

I do appreciate you sharing your thoughts on the current amount of road fees collected, which you feel are "inadequate?" I do not agree (surprise). If there is enough road fee money for HPPOA to remove $170,000/year and stick it in their Non-Roads Property line, then it seems to me there MUST be enough in road fees being collected. 
Question: If HPPOA can take $170,000 in "compensation" put it in their Non-Roads Property line, but there is no corresponding debit for that amount in HPPOA's non-road expense line, then is that $170,000 not considered profit?

As for Puna history, I do not know as much about the entire area (which is quite large). Nor do I know as much about HPP (Waikehakeha and Keaau's history) as I do about HPPOA. But I do know quite a bit about HPPOA (what it's former name was, how it was formed, why it was formed, who the first "members" were, who their first lawyers were, what their goals were, the reasons for their lawsuits, their intent (from the very beginning) to fashion themselves into a "viable community association" and "compel" owners to be members (read that document), their non-compliance with court orders, and on, and on. 

As I have said before, I know how to research  and I have experience researching history (as well as working for a non-profit). I was not around when the Greasy Grass Battle occurred, but the Smithsonian seemed content enough with my research.

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[Obie]

Mr. O. you only superfilously answered the questions and even then, were rude about it. "Board haters?"

Patricia, I have previously asked you to refer to me by my username which is Obie. Since you won't and I consider that to be rude I while now alternate between Ms Pee and Patty or Pat.
PS I answered your questions.
2nd superfilously isn't a word in any of my dictionaries.
3rd calling you a board hater is not rude it's an apt description of you. You spend every waking hour pounding on a keyboard spewing out hate toward the board.

Have a nice day Ms pee.

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Patty
"for Puna history, I do not know as much about the entire area (which is quite large)."

Since you admit you don't know much please go find another group or Facebook page to present your nonsense because most of us here all know a lot more than you.