"Did someone say, ages of comments back, that Hawaiian Acres does not require owners to pay mandatory road fees?"
That is correct Patricia.
However, there are some trying, as has been the case for the three decades plus we have lived in the Acres, to get it mandatory.
And to be clear, the monies HARC does get is used ONLY on the lettered roads and not on the numbered roads.
And to be even further clear, as for my husband and I, we have paid the voluntary road fee on 3 lots every year under the guise as "kalakoa" says as a "nuisance fee."
"However, there are some trying, as has been the case for the three decades plus we have lived in the Acres, to get it mandatory."
Thank you, Hilo Julie. I know that Matt was trying to get something together that would make associations required. There was also a State bill at one time recently (the one having to do with an Oversight committee) that would have required that every substandard subdivision have a road maintenance association, and if they did not the County would intervene. Unfortunately, unless Joy reintroduces that bill (they had a working committee, but they actually let it expire) it is pretty much dead in that water. Perhaps the law-makets will put together another bill. A bill that actually addresses ROAD MAINTENANCE and not "so much more."
"All you need to do is park on 28th and Paradise or 28th and Kaloli. Commuters pull off highway 130 turn left on 28th and then drive like a bat out of hell to beat the traffic on 130 and they merge back onto 130 at Shower where the State has provided them with a dedicated right turn/acceleration lane."
I don't disagree that this is happening. My suggestion would be for HPPOA to reach out to and work with Hawaii County Police. Perhaps maybe set up an unannounced "speed trap" every few weeks and issue a few dozen speeding tickets. As I understand it, up to 10MPH over is $62.00 and up to 19MPH over is $122.00.
Maybe even just "park" one of the old, marked Crown Vics on the side of the road for a few hours during rush hour. As a visual deterrent.
Now, granted, the State gets the ticket revenue, but this to me would go far in curtailing the problem, in addition to speed bumps/humps.
(01-10-2025, 03:56 AM)Patricia Wrote: In addition, I did answer your questions. Though obviously not the way you'd wished I had.
No, you did not. And I wished you had, but you did not.
(01-10-2025, 03:56 AM)Patricia Wrote: I agree with you. Probably best that you and I do not "discuss." Especially as that is not what you want to do (at least, not with me) you would rather deflect, and personally belittle.
This will be my last reply to you. My career allowed me to bill clients whose sole purpose in life was to argue for the sake of argument. There is no point in doing that without the ability to bill you.
(01-10-2025, 03:56 AM)Patricia Wrote: Did you even notice that you had NOT ONE legal, informative, or substantive comment to make about the differences between road maintenance associations, voluntary communities, planned communities, or HOAs? No, you probably did not. Because you were too focused on me and not the issues.
That’s because, as a lawyer, my opinion is you have no legal argument. And you get the “Best PunaWeb Projectionism Award of 2025."
(01-10-2025, 03:56 AM)Patricia Wrote: "Any fool can know the point is to understand."
Albert Einstein
If you are going to quote Albert, you should really know about Albert. Googling and reading the first result or two can often lead you down the path you really don’t want to go down!
HiloJulie you say that you as an attorney and in your opinion she has no legal argument. Like you, there are thousands of attorneys some may agree with you and others will not. That is why we have a Court system to determine whether or not there is a legal argument and it would be decided there, but you already know that right because you are an attorney. Just curious as to what kind of attorney/legal field that you practiced, in. Not prying just curious and if you don't want to respond that's cool too.
You definitely have the right to believe or have your opinions. However that being said it carries no weight and is absolutely nothing other than that, your opinion.
By the way I'm just posting this as an addition to this conversation and like you it's JMO, so I wouldn't consider it stalking.
Everyone have a great weekend.
I am surprised that after all the mess with Paradise Hui Hanalike (now HPPOA) that Hawaiian Acres did not jump on that court case (like Orchidland did) to get the road maintenance situation addressed.
Leave Hawaiian Acres alone. It comes back to contracts and agreements. Some people in HA bought their property understanding the terms and conditions and are happy with it. Those who are not happy with the agreements they made should either suck it up or move. They should not be trying to change the agreements that they made after the fact, and worse, they should not be trying to change everyone else’s agreements after the fact along with theirs.
(Yesterday, 07:16 PM)HiloJulie Wrote: "All you need to do is park on 28th and Paradise or 28th and Kaloli. Commuters pull off highway 130 turn left on 28th and then drive like a bat out of hell to beat the traffic on 130 and they merge back onto 130 at Shower where the State has provided them with a dedicated right turn/acceleration lane."
I don't disagree that this is happening. My suggestion would be for HPPOA to reach out to and work with Hawaii County Police. Perhaps maybe set up an unannounced "speed trap" every few weeks and issue a few dozen speeding tickets. As I understand it, up to 10MPH over is $62.00 and up to 19MPH over is $122.00.
Maybe even just "park" one of the old, marked Crown Vics on the side of the road for a few hours during rush hour. As a visual deterrent.
Now, granted, the State gets the ticket revenue, but this to me would go far in curtailing the problem, in addition to speed bumps/humps.
I'm on it!
KP
“When your hate is louder than your love, your words have no meaning!”
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"Those who are not happy with the agreements they made should either suck it up or move."
And I TOTALLY agree, My 2 Cents. NOW we are back on track with this post.
What the County and State have done to substandard subdivisions on Hawaii island, is a MESS. The County allowed the subdivisions, which did not even pass the County's own requirements at the time, to qualify for public offering. And then, when mainland owners (even WAY back) started to moan about the inadequacies, the County and Courts came together, whereby the County was let off in taking any responsibility for their negligence "in perpetuity," and the courts fashioned a "fix" for the inadequacies by stiffing substandard subdivision owners.
And NOW, that same mind-set that is unhappy with substandard subdivision inadequacies and wants "so much more," is once again pushing for MORE control and MORE money.
As I have said, what is happening in HPPOA should be of concern to many other substandard subdivision owners. Just as PHH (now HPPPOA) did in 1984, HPPOA is trying to "lead the way" so that other substandard subdivisions can follow (or be made to).
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the County and Courts came together, whereby the County was let off in taking any responsibility for their negligence "in perpetuity," and the courts fashioned a "fix" for the inadequacies by stiffing substandard subdivision owners.
If the courts have settled the matter (not to your liking) and the substandard subdivisions have attempted a fix (not to your liking), then I think the solution you are looking for is a Time Machine.
