Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs

[Patricia]

I plan to fly at a higher altitude, mostly over the ocean.

Seems reasonable to me. If you aren't using the easements, then why should you pay for maintenance/improvement? You would have no legal obligation to do so.

Let me know when you get to that point and how/if your negotiations with HPPOA work out. So far they haven't shown any willingness at all to work WITH HPP owners when what owners want does not suit them- and they seem to change/forget law whenever it is convenient for them.

[Obie]

Hey, enough about HPP.
This thread is about whale watching today at 4:00.

[HiloJulie]

Eh, snark on. In 3 plus years of HPPOA politics I've seen it all. And in 40 plus years substandard subdivision owners have seen WAY more. They are tired of WAITING.

HPP Owners, you will not incur any late fees if your road fees are paid before 4/1 AND the HPPOA treasurer has to give the monthly treasurer's  report- meaning HPPOA has to disclose how much they are receiving every month in accounts receivable. So...

And to all you other dissatisfied substandard subdivision owners, I encourage you to find out when your road fees are due, and when the absolute LAST DAY to pay them is.

OK, class, turn, once again, to page 1 of "Accrual Basis of Accounting for Dummies"

The treasure reports each month what they received in "CASH." "Accounts Receivable" went out in the mail in what is the invoice each resident should have received by now and further, was booked as "Revenue" in the fiscal month of January 2025.

And further class, we have discussed this at quite some length, but some still don't get it, but the date "CASH" is received is an irrelevant matter to the financial operations of the Association. Also, class as we have further discussed, when managing YOUR cash flows, it is a very prudent on your behalf, to pay your personal bills as close to or on the date due, thus maximizing YOUR earning potential.

Maybe HPPOA still has a copy of this. ASK them. There were numerous copies at one time. 

(Copy of old Court Order not allowing foreclosure against delinquent property owners)

I don't know what sparked this piece of "information" but what point is there?

Is HPPOA involved in any attempts to foreclose on anyone's property for delinquent road fees? 

So, once again, outside of this being more "hype" what point is there in bringing this up?

Question.
I’m thinking of buying a flying car when they become available.
Does anyone know on how I can opt out of HPP road maintenance fees, since I will no longer need easements, roads, etc? Any and all suggestions are welcome.

Only thing that comes to mind, is a lawsuit. Against an illegal Board forcing their illegal compliance with illegal by-laws by a cabal of illegal corrupt directors and officers, which you must also sue individually as well as in their official capacity.

And good luck! Fly by and take Barney and me for a spin some day!

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

whale watching today at 4:00.

Obie, for future reference, do you know how far away flying cars should stay from whales?  I plan on always flying upwind, to avoid salty spout spray on my windshield.  And above breaching altitude.


HiloJulie,
Is Barney trained to not bark at whales?

[HiloJulie]

"Is Barney trained to not bark at whales?"

Yes, HOTPE, Barney is quite the gentleman in terms of not barking at whales.

However, keeping him from wanting to go jump into the ocean and show the whales some cool swim moves may prove to be a bit difficult!

[Patricia]

(Copy of old Court Order not allowing foreclosure against delinquent property owners)

I don't know what sparked this piece of "information" but what point is there?

Is HPPOA involved in any attempts to foreclose on anyone's property for delinquent road fees?

So, once again, outside of this being more "hype" what point is there in bringing this up?

The point of bringing it up is that it is just one of many docs that past HPPOA boards have destroyed.

The point of bringing it up is that it is just one piece of court ordered info that HPPOA "forgets" to share with HPP Owners (kind of like not telling HPP Owners they are not required to be members).

The point of bringing it up is that the "old court orders" (plural) still stand. And that particular order I shared is just one of several. 

The point of bringing it up is that the "old court orders," which HPPOA has tossed out STILL apply. Even though, seemingly, HPPOA believes that by destroying/ignoring the "old court orders" they no longer apply. But as the "old court orders" have never been over-turned, they are, as such, STILL valid.

The whole point of bringing it up being that if you are going to engage in any kind of educated/informed dialogue, regarding the HPPOA board's overreach and non-compliance of court orders (plural) then you should probably research and read those "old court orders."

[Obie]

"The point of bringing it up is that it is just one piece of court ordered info that HPPOA "forgets" to share with HPP Owners"

It was a court order to a board that ceased to exist many years ago.
Bylaws can and have been changed all legal and voted on by the required number of owners.
They are not chiseled into stone tablets and weren't brought down from the mountain by a prophet.

The new bylaw committee was put in place because the member elected bylaw committee hasn't done squat in a number of years.

By the way, please quit accusing the current board of breaking laws and bylaws. That's up to a court to decide and in our country, defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Unless you are declaring yourself a dictator, your statements are nearly your opinions. We have heard the same opinions over and over.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

The whole point of bringing it up being that if you are going to engage in any kind of educated/informed dialogue,

Or you can just pay the road fee, drive on the roads, and enjoy the beautiful afternoon. Watch a whale!
Maybe even get a flying car!

[Punatang]

you would have to navigate past roads and easements

No.
I plan to fly at a higher altitude, mostly over the ocean.

It's not that much money, just donate it for mailboxes, community wells, playgrounds, HPP soup kitchen, etc.

[HiloJulie]

"The whole point of bringing it up being that if you are going to engage in any kind of educated/informed dialogue, regarding the HPPOA board's overreach and non-compliance of court orders (plural) then you should probably research and read those "old court orders."" - Patricia

I just quoted your last paragraph as it, and everything else in your reply is again irrelevant, so I'll ask my question a 2nd time:

"Is HPPOA involved in any attempts to foreclose on anyone's property for delinquent road fees?"

"Or you can just pay the road fee, drive on the roads, and enjoy the beautiful afternoon. Watch a whale!
Maybe even get a flying car!" - HOTPE

I must say, watching Barney swim with the whales and/or dolphins can also be quite entertaining!