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Gotta chime in and agree here. Rob does an outstanding job of "moderating". He usually will let a thread run it's course, and only occasionaly feels a need to nudge it back to civility.
It will be a sad day when some jackass screws things up for everyone here.
Aloha
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i keep wondering why the hawaiians don't unite and take back their country(if that's really what they want)? i for one would support them. how hard would it be to start massive protests(peaceful) where ever tourists come in to hawaii,like at the airports and at the docks? after a few weeks word would reach the tourists and once they stopped coming, the negotiations would start in earnest. just a thought...............
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i keep wondering why the hawaiians don't unite and take back their country(if that's really what they want)? i for one would support them. how hard would it be to start massive protests(peaceful) where ever tourists come in to hawaii,like at the airports and at the docks? after a few weeks word would reach the tourists and once they stopped coming, the negotiations would start in earnest. just a thought...............
Been there, Done that, still trying...........
Thanks for backing us though.
Makalealea
Edited by - makalealea on 02/26/2007 17:38:23
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First, the number of ACTUAL Hawaiians, that is, polynesians whose ancestors were here before the overthrow of Queen Lili'uokalani is very, very small, relative to the total population. Second, the American military presence here is enormous. For the most part, the American military has NOT gone native, and would not flip. Third, television. Any Hawaiian who watches television is American now.
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I personally feel that the Hawaiian Kingdom is occupied. It's also the theory of some of my friends. It does seem impossible to achieve sovereignty according to the U.S. but we all (hawaiians and non hawaiians who are important in the movement) can claim our sovereignty in little ways. Bringing back the barter system, trying to be self sustaining. I don't agree with the Akaka bill at all because I don't (as a native hawaiian) want to be under the jurisdiction of the Federal government and that is the opposite of sovereignty. Ah but we hawaiians are diverse in our opinions too. I support all the sovereignty groups from every angle. I don't expect them to be unified in their thinking of how to get there but if we just all work in ot our own little way... and Glen I like how you said it should be done. I'm in full agreement with that. I personally think Hawaiian Homes should just be alotted to people with any blood quantum of Hawaiian and let the Hawaiians decide how to build a house there. We have survived on water catchment for 15 years now. If they went with solar or alternative energy, they don't have to pay for infrastructure and let our people have that land back before they trade it all away and leave us with nothing. It is so very complicated. Theres tons of major social, economic issues. Agriculture and Aquaculture on some of the outer islands would be awesome too.
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There is a lot more military here now than there was when the hawaii kingdom was illegally taken over. This country is not beyond illegal invasions and occupations even now , as can be seen by our current military escapades!
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Some feel we are more of a target because of the militaries presence. I know there is another view that we are protected by them but the stryker brigade got shot down so maybe they will stop bulldozing Hawaiian Homes land in Pohakuloa. I don't think we will ever get the military out of here or if that is beneficial. It's just really complicated.
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and yes we are American, some by force because we were born into after the occupation. Even if the majority of people here are non hawaiians, there are lots of Hawaiians here. I wouldn't say there is very little but we have become the minority in our own land. This doesn't make our beliefs and goals in being self sufficient less valid to me.
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We are also ever evolving and have been acclimated to computers, cars, etc...Hawaiians shouldn't be expected to give that up because they are striving for self governance. I can't talk for all Hawaiians though. I would like to eventually be as sufficient as possible in this modern world.
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Momi, I love Kawika's poem. I could feel his strength and his sadness. Perhaps he will be one of our leaders someday.
I like what you said about not needing to be recognized by anyone, but ourselves. Someone had mentioned how few Hawaiians there are, but it takes only one to lead many. Buffalo in Makaha and Bumpy Kanahele in Waimanalo come to mind.
