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Cave relics
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03-07-2007, 08:26 AM
So just in case any of you foreigners to Hawai`i decide to go into any caves in Puna and touch things that you shouldn't. I feel it is important that you read this article.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/p.../1173/NEWS
03-07-2007, 08:38 AM
I once found some human bones near my property. I reburied them where I found them after I dug some up to be sure they were human. I friend of mine went into the burial cave on 22nd in HPP and said it was filled with bones. She didn't take anything so I guess that's why nothing happened to her.
You can read about the HPP burial cave here: http://www.hawaiianparadisepark.org/page4.html
03-07-2007, 09:31 AM
quote: Home is where the heart is. I was born in Hungary but I don't feel I am Hungarian. In fact, if I never see Hungary again that is just fine with me. Hawaii is my home and I don't consider myself a foreigner here. Aloha, John S. Rabi, ABR,CM,CRB,FHS,PB http://www.JohnRabi.com Typically Tropical Properties 75-5870 Walua Road, Suite 101 Kailua-Kona, HI 96740 (808)327-3185 
03-07-2007, 01:17 PM
Momi, I am asking becuase perhaps you know. I have heard a lot about Carta & Taylor, and you are not the 1st to label them as non-Hawaiian, but I do not know this for sure. Do they have any Hawaiian ancestry? Do you know this for sure? I have blond haired, blue eyed 2nd cousins that live in California (very valley girl types) that were born in Oahu to my mothers cousin, who had married a native Hawaiian, they went to the Kamehameha schools, through HS, but were often treated as outcasts.... because they did not look Hawaiian enough for many of their neighbors (some of whom could not get into the Kamehameha schools due to their ancestry). I do agree that the theft was dishonorable, and that everyone should have respect.
Aloha, Carey
03-07-2007, 03:49 PM
Hi Carey,
I don't think they are Hawaiians cause I really don't think "any" Hawaiians would do that unless they were totally stupid. My great grandfather once took some non hawaiians into a cave and him being non hawaiian explained to them not to touch "anything". Well, when they turned to find the door to the cave, they couldn't find it so he sat there and said, "ok, either we are going to sit here and die or you are going to empty your pockets". They stole some small pendants and as soon as their pockets were emptied, the mouth of the cave appeared. I really don't know why he took them in the cave but I guess we all have our lessons to learn. Hopefully others will learn from this. I can't trace their DNA through the newspaper article but my husband met one of the guys (Taylor) one time before the whole thing happened. He said he was not Hawaiian. Racist? I don't see any racist posts. I see alot of education going on and if I seem rough sometimes I really don't care. I will live and die defending and educating about my culture. The only way to get non hawaiians to see it from our point, is to educate. If they choose to read it and understand it for what it is, then that is all I care about. Yes, there is tension in Kamehameha Schools sometimes and myself not being a product of Kamehameha schools had to grow up with people of all cultures and I have very good friends (lots of them) who are not Hawaiian and we respect each other greatly. but like we concluded on another thread, there is good and bad in all races. Sometimes we have to duke it out before we come to understanding. Once that happens, it makes it all worth it. I think if the forum is onesided (which it seems me and Maka are the only Hawaiians here who will even speak up) then it is what it is. Take it or leave it but it is how it is in Hawaii. We have lots of Hawaiians who speak up in Hawaii that get misenterpreted as being racist. Especially the ones who would like to take away what little rights as Hawaiians that we do have so if they interpret it that way, they are the racist. The few people who I have come into contact with through emails think I should keep on striving for education and that is what I will do and "no one" especially a non hawaiian can tell me they know more about my culture or can tell me what to say or not. Those days are gone... Thanks for the comments though. I'm glad you mentioned racism so I can clarify things from my point of view. Edited by - momi on 03/07/2007 20:10:02
03-07-2007, 04:19 PM
Momi,
Please don't forget the "Hawaiians" were visitors here too from another place so lose the big chip on your shoulder. It's nice to see the haole's giving back like the one's I see picking up the garbage along Hwy 130 I'm sure they have better things to do and somehow I don't think they are the one's leaving the junk cars and mattresses in Orchidland. Mahalo Lee
03-07-2007, 04:23 PM
Yes, and if any of them were spoken to like how haole boy talked to me, they would probably take that approach. If not they would just be doing a diservice to our culture. Haole boy is being nice now so I'm glad but I'm willing to stand up for my culture in any way shape or form. Anytime, anywhere, anyday... and their are also Hawaiians who are way meaner than I am. Some of them are my good friends and I cringe when I hear them yell out the window,"go home to your own country" and they have so if you think I'm preachy and a racist then I am proud of that. I don't go to church other than the forest in my yard in Puna and Kona so I'm making up for it on the web. It is all in the way you see it, if you open your heart, maybe you might catch a glimpse of what I am trying to tell these people and then you will understand.
You are totally wrong if you think I have a chip on my shoulder. Now, I could talk to you all day and I'm sure you won't understand where I am coming from so take it the way you want. I said it before and I will say it again, I will defend my culture always. and if you don't like it there is nothing you can do about it. Hawaiians were new comers here and no one but maybe the menehune were here and they mixed together and respected each other until the Tahitians came and they duked it out and eventually got along and meshed together. You guys need to loosen up and get over yourselves so you can get educated. Maybe it's people like you who cause Hawaiians to have a chip on their shoulders. Have you ever thought of that? and by the way, I have walked the side of the road in Captain Cook at 5:00 a.m. on Christmas morning with my kids and husband and non hawaiians picking up the rubbish so there, we are walking side by side. I've also seen non hawaiians throwing the rubbish on the side of the road too. It "is" a joy to share about my culture that is why I take the time out of my precious days to post on this web. Edited by - momi on 03/07/2007 20:45:09
03-07-2007, 05:12 PM
Excuse me Carey but if you haven't noticed, there are alot of people here on this website that do not give a rip about the Hawaiian race. They would like to see it gone so they can make their mainland here.
People who misuse the Hawaiian words for their benefit. If they think I'm angry well again they are seeing it from your point of view and if I was really angry, I would be like the scare tactic guy now that is anger. Or I would be like the guys stupid guys at Hookena beach who beat up the caucasions. Now that is anger. Your grossly missinterpretting what I am saying so I think you just might not ever get it. My husband and I are also a mixture of other races and so are our children. Edited by - momi on 03/07/2007 21:14:44
03-07-2007, 05:39 PM
Yes, and sometimes the flaws in culture make them unique. Why would I want to change that? Maybe there aren't any flaws, maybe it's the way it should be. If we only talked about good things, people would get mislead. There is no where in this world that has "only good". Haven't you only seen the bad in my posts? Hawaiians call the balance of good and bad "lokahi" without the understanding of "lokahi" one cannot understand how the Hawaiian culture or any culture for that matter works. Lokahi is a huge part of healing. Without it, healing could not occur.
Edited by - momi on 03/07/2007 21:59:07 |
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