Cave relics

[Momi]

Oh my goodness.... Are you serious? I love Foreigner! I was talking about the foreigner people in my last post.



Edited by - momi on 03/08/2007 18:08:45

[Green]

How foreigners are there?

[Green]

Ah! That would be, How many foreigners are there? I can't find the edit or delete button!

[Jared I]

I dont see why people get so bent out of shape. One mans grave relics, another mans souvenirs. I think Hawaiian homeland issues are alot like those of the Confederate Southern States issues, neither will rise again and it will only be length of time before its bred away through dilution and only history in books. Things change, get over it.

Maybe we should grow domesticated Nene for eating and plant sandalwood in comercial forests, if it can be profitable it can provide jobs for the BI.

[Francesca]

Momi, I have enjoyed your openness and truth from a Hawaiian perspective. I have been married to one local for over 30 years and although I'm not Hawaiian, I know that the views you are expressing are shared by many including my Hawaiian family and friends. Actually, what you have expressed is quite mild in comparison. It's not what many mainland transplants want to hear, however, so you are receiving criticism for your candidness. For me, it's refreshing to hear. Mahalo.

[adias]

“One mans grave relics, another mans souvenirs” This type of thinking underscores the very essence of the problem here. A person’s culture, grave relics and heritage is part of the very soul of a person. This is their roots their parents, this is who they are.

Close to where I work, there is a small African American burial ground, which was uncovered while excavating for a building. One day I saw a young black man standing, with his hands folded, with tears in his eyes, looking in reverence at the pictures of skeletal remains of his ancestors.

I had walked past this same site many times and didn’t feel the same way, but it if was my heritage, I would probably have felt the same way he did.

The point is that we all have different realities and different truths and however ridicules it might sound to one person, another might have and entirely different experience.

If we want to live together in harmony we must respect others people’s cultures, acknowledge past grievances, walk in their shoes and try to understand things from their perspective.




Edited by - adias on 03/09/2007 01:59:52

[Haole Girl]

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Nope, had nothing to do with it. As the old saying goes: You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar

Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.

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I think that is universal and one can safely say that we already know that. Thus an implication is what that somehow we Hawaiians have a nasty tone while you have a nice tone.


This is what we get for being bilingual. Some of us can see a ka ona... some cannot.

I'm curious too... for those who have moved to Puna... have you folks tried to learn our language since there is another language there. Have you learned our language like how we have learned yours? I'm curious.


Y.W.N.

Edited by - Haole Girl on 03/09/2007 05:01:07

[Haole Girl]

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I think everyone needs to lighten up on Momi. She's pregnant, and her hormones are raging.

Aloha
Richwhiteboy

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I'm curious. What has a pregnancy have to do with her opinions? Is that supposed to somehow undermine them?

BTW I'm in the midst of adopting three babies which is totally irrelevant like her pregnancy is as it relates to her mana o. I think that is a significant difference between the two cultures. One respects women's voices. The other... claims they do but they don't like it when women use their voice but in Hawaiian culture... women were and have always been vocal throughout our history irrelevant if they are hapai or not.

Even the word "hapai" can mean "to feed." It doesn't have a negative connotation like the implication above.

Y.W.N.


Edited by - Haole Girl on 03/09/2007 05:13:04

[Haole Girl]

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In 1897 many Native Hawaiians along with non Hawaiians, signed a petition against the annexation here is proof that Native Hawaiians and our friends who were non Native shows that they were against annexation. http://www.archives.gov/education/lesson...-petition/

My ancestors signatures are on this document.

Edited by - momi on 03/08/2007 15:57:47

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Same here. My great grandmother Rachel Lokinihama Among signed it (the Ku e Anti-Annexation Petition) too:

http://libweb.hawaii.edu/digicoll/annexa...et007.html

Unfortunately they don't teach this stuff in American schools.

http://libweb.hawaii.edu/digicoll/annexa...ition.html

Y.W.N.


Edited by - Haole Girl on 03/09/2007 05:19:17

[Haole Girl]

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How old are you Haole Girl? 'Cause to my knowledge the only place where Hawaiian is spoke exclusively is Ni'ihau. What is all this US and THEM crap? Are you human? Why not start a thread just for people who want only to speak Hawai'ian...that would be cool then you could actually TEACH something instead of being nasty.

Carrie

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Actually YOU seem nasty but I can't tell because you are using digits (0s and 1s.) What has my age have to do with anything?

I do "own" three properties: One in Hawai'i, one in Washington, and one in Florida so you can be assured that I am an adult since my name is on all three titles.

In any case I asked a question. I want to know if people were learning the Hawaiian language. I guess my question is left unanswered but if you took it personally you shouldn't have unless you felt guilty? Then I can understand why but I asked because I am curious.

Anyway here is a link courtesy of the Kamehameha Schools that has FREE Hawaiian language lessons online:

http://ksdl.ksbe.edu/kulaiwi/

Some people may not know about it. That is why I asked.

BTW it's available to all.

Y.W.N.



Edited by - Haole Girl on 03/09/2007 05:31:21