Cave relics

[Haole Girl]

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Funny how you can just bypass a question yourself. It's too bad you give such a bad impression of your culture if you even are Hawaiian. I live here and have met so many really nice people but you are not a good example. You have such nasty things to say about people that weren't born Hawai'ian...what about you with your property on the Mainland? How do you justify that if we are all here to take your land and to change it? Why don't you walk the walk and try to show the beauty that is Hawai'i? Why not try to spread happiness instead of just instigate arguments? Not as much fun?

Carrie

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Wait a minute, Miss Carrie. For some reason you seem bitter and/or angry because I did answer the question. I stated that I am an adult.

I know that some people jump to conclusions like you seem to have done but I inherited two of the properties due to people dying. That is why I have those properties because they died and I was a legal heir of theirs.

I have lived in Hawai'i and on the continental U.S. Your attitude of telling me what to do, think, and/or say is rude.

Lastly, where have I instigated arguments? All I have done is responded with my opinions and also asked questions. If you feel guilty then I can see why you mistakenly think that I am instigating arguments but it looks like you who is instigating arguments so there is no need to try to transfer it onto me. I am asking some questions and they have yet to be answered. If you don't want to answer them don't but there is no need to take what I post personally. I am posting my opinions and asking some questions. Like everyone else is. Posting our opinion.

As for your inaccurate statement here:

"You have such nasty things to say about people that weren't born Hawai'ian."


BTW my husband is Haole. I am Hawaiian and Haole. Chinese and Portuguese too.

It seems like you have jumped to too many conclusions like about my three properties two of which I inherited.


Y.W.N.




Edited by - Haole Girl on 03/09/2007 05:44:52

[Haole Girl]

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Guess I'm just tired of you slamming "One Woman's Culture..." maybe YOU should be more respectful. And what have I got to feel guilty for? I have been a good person and lived an honest life. I go to work everyday and pay my bills and take care of my mom. My husband is Mexican/American and works like a dog to pay our bills. What are we doing that requires such hateful attitude? I aksed your age, 'cause if you re-read the post there has been English spoke here for centuries. When we do say Hawai'ian words people like Momi say we misuse them and now YOU say we should learn them. What's the correct answer?

Carrie

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This is what I explicitly stated:

"I think that is a significant difference between the two cultures. One respects women's voices. The other... claims they do but they don't like it when women use their voice but in Hawaiian culture... women were and have always been vocal throughout our history irrelevant if they are hapai or not.

Even the word "hapai" can mean "to feed." It doesn't have a negative connotation like the implication above."

That is my opinion. We call it "mana o" in Hawaiian. Just as others here have an opinion. That is my opinion.

Keep in mind that I am Hawaiian AND American. I will and do compare and contrast the two cultures, languages, traditions, etc.

Sometimes I do it with Chinese culture since I am Chinese too but in this case I was comparing and contrasting two that I am a part of and have been for years. It's my opinion.

Regarding Momi... she has her opinion and I have mine. Others do too. For example all Americans do not agree with Bush and have different opinions. Likewise with Hawaiians.

The above is my opinion to which I am entitled and that is why I wrote that I think it would help if people learn the Hawaiian language. It may help because there are significant differences between the two cultures and between the two languages.

Instead you take it personally and end up talking about yourself. Sorry but the purpose of my questions were to see if people are learning the Hawaiian language because if they aren't then they can try online for free lessons here courtesy of the Kamehameha Schools


http://ksdl.ksbe.edu/kulaiwi/

Some people know about it. Some do not. That is why I asked.

Anyway it's not about you but like I stated above... I can understand if you feel guilty. People who feel guilty think that I am referring to them but that was not my intention. I want to know if people are learning the Hawaiian language. If not I would post that link for all to use for free.




Y.W.N.



Edited by - Haole Girl on 03/09/2007 05:55:32

[Brad W]

Culture hell, everything from the word "foreigners" on in this thread has been racist. And to what end? Aloha? I don't think so.

[malolo]

Hmmm.
Forgive me, Brad, but I disagree.

I'm actually learning quite alot.

[Buzz]

I agree with Malolo, I'm learning alot too but would be nice to learn from a pure-blooded hawaiian with perhaps a Phd in Hawaiian History. I'm also proud of my own french heritage, afterall I'm a direct descendant of Francis Marion...so watchout!

[malolo]

Carolann?
I agree.

Mean people do suck.

But I honestly don't think there are any mean folks here.

Just as we all do, out there in real-live 3D-life, it's up to each of us to assume the very best of folks, assume that folks all have (and are entitled to) their own opinions and style, assume that no one is really out to get us, that no one is intentionally trying to make our lives miserable.

Here on-line we're all a wee bit crippled by the fact that we can't see one anothers' (in most cases loving) facial expressions.

We also may find it hard to decipher an ironic tongue-in-cheek attempt-at-crazy-humour-in-an-effort-to-break-the-tension barb. Y'know?

Rob put his finger on it quite succinctly a few pages back when he very wisely cautioned folks to be less quick to take offence.

We all know full well that in time of need, we'd all rush to one another's aid; we'd all do anything asked of us to help; we'd all make sacrifices for one another, and a mere angstrom beneath the surface of out prattlings-on, we all really love one another very very much.

Ha! Well except for that guerilla-tactic (Bonjour!)-Buzz-guy, of course!

---malolo (...who's popping back in here quickly to thank you, HaoleGirl, for that Kamehameha Schools link. Very cool. I promise to pass it on.)

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Edited by - malolo on 03/09/2007 07:50:31

[bystander]

I see that this thread has degenerated into a hateful argument which I played some part in. I'll stay out of this one from here.

[Brad W]

And this learning couldn't occur without racism? Any time you apply your particular racial bias to any group, and can't get past it to see what's inside a single individual's heart, that's racism. Oh, and instill that bias in a youngster's developing mind, that's child abuse; they're getting it from somewhere.

Every culture and every civilization began somewhere and is somewhere else today, that's progress, and it's just the way it is. Granted, we all should be proud of our heritage, I am of mine. I don't want to become Hawaiian. That doesn't mean I don't deeply respect the culture and the land. I see Hawaiians trshing this place every day, literally. The feeling I get from this from this thread is that I'm not welcome here because of my race.

[malolo]

At the risk of being smacked on the noggin for hijacking, I'd like to take a moment to recommend a book. Perhaps some of you have read it? It's called The Four Agreements.

http://thesuccessnetwork.net/the-four-agreements/

Okay.
Sorry.
Carry on.

---malolo (...who, by the way, is off to Egypt in a few days. Can't wait to engage some real-live modern-day 3-D Egyptians in conversation regarding how they feel about people raiding their ancestors' tombs!)

[Rob Tucker]

One thing that I think has always seemed missing from serious discussion of Hawaiian history is the simple inevitability of contact and culture clash.

The Hawaiian people enjoyed approx. 1,600 years of unmolested history during which they developed a lifestyle, culture and relationship with their land which was unique on Earth.

It was inevitable that someday a sail would appear on the horizon and everything would change. Most unfortunately that sail would bring disease and death for a majority of the population. It is arguable whether it was better or worst if that sail had been English, Spanish or Chinese.

Were the surviving Hawaiians taken advantage of? Of course they were. Were organized efforts made to crush and defeat their language and culture? Yes. Does all of western society share some historic blame for this? Yes. Does that mean people have no basis on which to relate, accept each other and work together for a better life? No.

There are historic burdens everywhere you go in this life. They are not to be minimized but they should not be permitted to dominate our future either. Society is now a woven fabric of ethnicity's and cultures. Each of us gets to make daily choices on whether to create ties that bind or ties that unravel.

This topic has potential to go either way. It is really up to each of you. It is very rare for anyone to be completely right or completely wrong. Look for common ground. It’s there.

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