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Well friend.. you just wait till some billionaire developer shows up. He'll buy a couple hundred acres, pay the County to have services extended, and there goes your little piece of paradise.
If you doubt me ask someone from North County San Dieago.
I made a lot of money in California, Ventura County to be exact.
But this is not California, this is Hawaii. A whole different ball game. Which is why I moved here.
There is plenty of history that shows what happens to billionaire developers in this corner of paradise. They turn into millionaires. :-)
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"There is plenty of history that shows what happens to billionaire developers in this corner of paradise. They turn into millionaires. :-)"
Yeah you may be right as far as the BI. for now. But if history is the indicator then I'd like to know which island you'd like to use as an example. Kauai? or maybe Maui? LOl certainly not Oahu. Oh wait maybe Molokai, but is that ranch still there?
Yeah your right it'll never happen there.
Take care,
dave
Blessings,
dave
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I think we all, to different degrees, like what we've found and wish to keep many aspects like it is. However, I sometimes wonder at what price each of us, including myself, would accept to be bought off by a developer that would change the area where we live -- half a million? less? more?
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Dave;
Missed my tide window.
I am talking about the Big Island, not including Kona and Kohala of course. They sold their souls a long time ago. Really no need to bring in the rest of Polynesia in this discussion.
Researched this a lot. Which is why I am here. Just think opposite of a flipper, it's easy.
The game changer here is not putting a lot of rules and regulations into place via local politics. The game changer is also not trying to bully the local government into putting infrastructure in place. It is way too ingrained.
No, the worst fear of anyone living here is a developer who puts in their own infrastucture. They pave their own roads, they provide their own power generation, they make their own water, they process their own waste. BECAUSE, if that happens, everyone else will have to follow suite. "If so and so can do it, so can you."
Can't stop that from happening with rules and regulations. The developer is asking for nothing, providing everything. A model of self sufficiency.
I looked into this a few years ago, numbers did not work then but technology has a way of getting cheaper in the future. If I even smell something like that happening here, it is time for one more move for me.
You take care as well.
Edited by - charsui pork on 05/30/2007 11:50:27
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Man, I hope my scenario doesn't happen there. If it does I'll meet cha in Kaalualu or somewhere along those lines.
Take care,
dave
Blessings,
dave
"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young
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You don't need to have a 'billionaire investor' to come here, one of the largest landowners in Puna announced their development plans for their rural ag land last summer. As I type this, they have started on their 50 year plan...
Change will happen, those who state they 'don't like change' and are typing on the internet prove my point.
Hopefully change will happen in a way that allows this island to retain many of the things that make it so unique in the world.
The past human history of the islands has made them one of the highest extinction areas of the world. It would be wonderful if that trend can stop.
Edited by - carey on 05/30/2007 12:48:48
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Hi all,
I live in North County San Diego and will agree to the statements made about this area. I bought in assured due to zoning that my area would remain rural....well developers come in and get the zoning changed and there goes your rural lifestyle. Best to get active locally to prevent the same thing from happening in Hawaii. I believe San Diego has the largest number of endangered species on the mainland...trust me, no one can do a darn thing to save what is left as long as developers' money is doing the talking.
Have a Puntastic day, Andy
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Speaking of zoning ---
Houston had (maybe still does?) no zoning board/laws. Many didn't/don't like that. I like having no laws in a way. Here's why. Even where there is zoning, the zoning board can be bought with the right amount of money under the table for a zoning variance or the right people apply for a zoning variance. The little guy/gal hasn't a chance. With no zoning, everyone has an equal chance. I've seen it happen, time and time again. I'll take no zoning with peer pressure applied.
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HH,
I agree with you in that the Zoning business is a bit/bunch shady, but Houston in some areas is just a trip. I mean, you're driving through a residential neighborhood and it turns into office warehouse then back to residential. But most of the people are happy with it. I never noticed it until I became an appraiser.
Like, Andy, the guy from North Co. San Diego pointed out most zoning is For Sale anyway.
Take care,
dave
Blessings,
dave
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My experience is in locales that have Planning Commissions that review projects, then report to the City Councils. The Planning Commission meets secretly with the developer and work out the details. Then, the plan is presented to the City Council for its approval. The skids are greased before it appears in front of the council. One Planning Board member, when asked by me, "Aren't these secret meetings against the law?", stated, "Yes, but we wouldn't get anything done if we met in public."
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