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Sorry.
I didn't mean to come off as all that negative.
It's just that I've known two of the children who've already been flattened on (paved) Paradise personally.
Ehhhh. What the hell. Carry on.
The park's too crowded as it is.
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malolo, what the hell are kids doing playing on the cinder road, or any road for that matter? Even a better question, where the hell were the parents of these kids?
But why would anyone allow their toddlers to play near a roadway? I tip my hat to the HPP Homeowners group for having to huervos to move forward on the paving of our roads. Lord knows the collect enough fees to make it happen..
Edited by - beachboy on 06/28/2007 06:29:49
Wow, you should come here on 22'nd and shower? There must be a string of parents that bought ATV's and really loud dirt bikes... You know the little tiny dirt bikes where the kids can't be more then 10 years old...Flying down dirt road in short slippers and no helmet. The bikes are so loud I almost wish one would get squashed. They tear up the roads and do dust donuts ...
Where are the parents? Why are these kids playing on the roads? I think if one did get killed I kick the parents ass...
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ericlp, I do understand what you are seeing. All over HPP you have these kids playing with the ATVs, and they do ruin the road as well.
It is dangerous to be operating the ATV in a manner that they are doing. It is easy for them to be playing out in the roads like that because police do not regularly patrol the areas.
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Ponopuna, unless you are an HPP property owner, you don't get any say in the matter. As the County keeps reminding folks, it is all private property. As far as dirt roads keeping Hawaii Hawaiian, you might talk to the folks at Hawaiian Homelands. They keep telling Hawaiians who get old and die waiting for leases that one reason it takes so long is that they don't have money to pave roads to the lease lots.
Actually you might have a say. All the projects must go through the regualr permit approval process first. Also unless the HPP subdivision closed the "gate" once a year each and every year, those roads are non longer private roads. The county may not want to take responsibility but they are no longer "private" roads -- see fight over Ainaloa to Hi Acres connector.
Edited by - kapohocat on 06/30/2007 11:55:57
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It would be hypocritical in the extreme for the County, be it the permitting authorities or any other agency, to stop HPP from paving its own roads with its own money. Having told Puna folk for decades that we are on our own because the subdivisions are private, we don't pay enough taxes (Harry Kim actually said this on a Honolulu Advertiser Q&A forum,) there is not enough money, and any number of other reasons, they sure as hell better not tell us we can't do it ourselves.
I abstained on the vote, but I would be upset if the will of 85% of the voting property owners was overturned by outsiders. This might not be my first choice of community projects, but as so many have already pointed out, at least somebody in Puna is doing something that most of the affected people think is an improvement. If for no other reason than setting a precedent, it is worth doing.
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Where, once this "inevetible" progress occurs and it is no longer the "Palekaiko" for which you came, go?
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Bottom line is that property values in HPP will increase...amd so will property taxes. I just hope that with this new paving that they plan that they include a few extra feet for a walking/bike path!
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My two votes went for paving but I really didn't care. Where I currently live was dirt and then shell rock for many years and I was overjoyed when we got it paved. However, I never thought the HPP roads were very bad, even at their worst, at least by comparrison to what I was used to. I voted for paving as that seemed to be the way it was going and I just as soon get it over with.
p.s. You haven't seen dust unless you have lived on a shell rock road. It was a county road and we got them to pave it when it became known that the dust from the shell rock they put down caused lung disease.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
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its easy to see now that most people on this forum do support paving in hpp. The ones that dont support it are bystanders that are jealous because their subdivision is going to be all muddy while we carelessly stroll down our smoooth black roads.
Now that we are paving i think we will get county water too! that will really make our property nice.
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its easy to see now that most people on this forum do support paving in hpp. The ones that dont support it are bystanders that are jealous because their subdivision is going to be all muddy while we carelessly stroll down our smoooth black roads.
Hahahaha.
Actually, dearheart, some of us have lived in HPP for half of our very long lives. And we've been way-way-way-beyond-happy with the quality of life.
Personally, I'm fascinated by the "gotta-hurry-up-and-change-things-to-what-we-were-used-to-elsewhere" attitude...
...tittilated actually...
...and not to be outdone by the "pave paradise and put up a parking lot crowd," I'm thinkin' pretty serious about puttin' Helicopter-landing-pads on all of my lots.
That'll help solve not only the traffic-safety problem, but the coqui-noise problem as well!
Vrooooom.
Vrooooom.
Whappa-whappa-whappa.
Progress!
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What's the scoop on county water, do they lay the lines before, during or after paving?
No county water 'til they build the new state prison on 13th, I'm afraid.
Sorry.
