That was very well said, Glen.
To Hotzcatz and Kapohocat
It's not the government's job to help people evade personal responsibility.
However, when infrastructure is destroyed, the government will be in the position of picking up the pieces. For example, if Hilo were buried, the expense of fixing the island economy after that would be horrendous, and in comparison, preventive efforts might seem pretty appealing.
Leaving Hwy 130 totally cut off might fall into the category of major blow to the infrastructure (ought to).
The last time Hilo was threatened, as I understand it a Hawaiian princess prayed for Pele to stop. So there seems to be a precedent in Hawaiian culture for asking Pele to do something else rather than quietly accepting destruction by lava. No?
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It has always been the responsibility of our government to make sure individual members of the governed body don't have to take responsibility for their choices, when the government feels like it. Start with subduing Native Americans who got upset when pioneers, prospectors, etc. encroached onto their lands. They chose to trespass on their lands. Then there is those that build in flood plains (resulting in a nature change attempt) or on barrier islands (resulting in numerous nature change attempts), fault lines (nature change if they could figure out how), hurricane succeptable areas (resulting in failed nature change attempts), etc. It's more a question of, is Pele's current activity one in which the Government chooses to act. I'm sure Hilo, if threatened, would get some attention, even if it was known that the action would imperil rural subdivisions to save Hilo.
I don't have a strong opinion if action should be taken regarding this current threat. It does concern me that it appears that no serious thought is being given to possible action, as I fear that lack of serious thought is due to a general lack of concern for Puna issues in general.
As for some peoples bad choices in loans. The government may well relieve some of them of some responsibility for their actions, if it is determined that the threat to the nation's economy, posed by the masses of morgage defaults, is severe enough to warrant such actions.
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quote:
....If someone chooses to build a house in a lava zone and the lava shows up, they can hire a truck to move their house like folks did last time the lava came through the houses. Some thing the government could do is to encourage folks when building houses in lava zones to build small houses on post and pier foundations so they can be moved out of danger if necessary....
Splendid idea Hotcatz! Such a simple answer for a large problem!! I really agree with you - even design a house in two pieces that bolts together so it can be unbolted and moved! I like it!
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Seriously, I do think the homes in Puna are overbuilt (including my own). I could see zoning for modular homes only -- the type that could be removed if necessary. The great thing about Hawaii is you really don't need much of a structure! A roof and a cot would do the job!
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ergo; container houses forklift pockets all built in, rolling chassis' and flatbed trailers around every corner and already designed to transport containers. Heck structurally speaking they would require much less support as compared to any other building design so they would be ready to move faster as well. And if the evac truck or copter is late coming they can take the heat a little longer as well.....; )
If you have the time and you can through some of Bob Vila's bla bla bla you might enjoy this container home project built in St Pete Fla. Not neccessarily moveable but great insight into the possibilties plus some talk on ceramic thermal coatings which are mind blowing for residential construction.
http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/Bob_Vila/Vid...-03-1.html
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My point:
There is danger in every possible region. Do you really think that everyone should only live in the small areas considered safe? They will then be unsafe due to overcrowding. Are people told to have personal responsibility that live on a fault line? Do you really think that when/if the quakes come to southern California that they will accept the "personal responsibilty" line of libertarian crap you are trying to push?
I don't know if or how to make the area safer. I DO know that looking into it is a good idea. I am not a quitter. And you are putting words/ideas into my mouth when you assume one area is more valuable than another. Did I even mention your area? Jeez, if you guys aren't pickin fights, you aren't happy. I am not interested in debating governmental politics on the Punaweb forum for crying out loud. I have to deal with that in my red state as it is. I come here to relax. Please, for gods sake-do not reply. You have your view and I have mine, and I will not change yours and you will not change mine. So, let's just drop it.
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I'm not trying to flame you Julie, just exchange ideas with you. That's what this forum is for.
I'm going to respond to some of your comments/questions. You ask if people are told to have personal responsibility if they live on a fault line. Yes they are. They are urged to have emergency supplies on hand, prepare for interuptions in services and to build or retrograde structures to better withstand quakes.
This thread is about diverting a Lava flow. I've tried to explain why I believe this wouldn't work. Would you explain to me why it would? With respect, Greg
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Again, I never said this would work. I simply have said that it wouldn't hurt to look into ideas about trying to save people's hard earned property. That is all. Nothing more and nothing less. I don't know how this got where it did.
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I agree with Julie.
If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it cost when it’s free...now here come the taxes.....
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I also agree with Julie that the Government should look into saving life and participate in emergency response. I believe emergency escape routes should be investigated, but building one at this point could be futile. Building one in the path of the lava would be futile.
I believe that individuals should look into ways to save their hard earned property.
We can only prepare for, and react to a lava flow. We can't prevent it any more than prevent a Hurricane or Earthquake. How to prepare? Build modular, post and pier, and modestly. Structures of this type can be moved much more practically than the lava flow.
The Government could possibly help by providing affordible land to move these structures to.
