Inter-Island Airfare alert

[macuu222]

Airlines are at it again. All ofering $19.00 each way fares for October 29, 30 and 31st.

[Bob Orts]

I just hope Go decides to give up on Hawaii before they cause anymore damage!

[John S. Rabi]

Had it no been Go! showing up here, Aloha and Hawaiian already would have merged and we would really be screwed.

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[Loretta]

Thank you John....it was way time for some healthy competition around here. Go GO!!

[Bob Orts]

One of the most basic rules of business is you have to sell your products or service for more than it cost you to manufacture or deliver, otherwise, you'll go broke.

One of the most basic rules of consumer advocacy is whenever someone is selling a product or service lower than it cost them to manufacture or deliver, there is something suspicious going on.

I've been in the consumer protection/advocacy business long enough to look past the excitement of immediate price savings and look at what's really going to happen to the consumer. What I found is that you had better enjoy the temporary low fares while you have them because if history is a guide, you’re in for a surprise down the road.

A common indicator that a company is predisposed to screw over the consumer is if they are willing to say screw you to the very system designed to protect consumers; our courts. If a company willfully destroys evidence of wrongdoing, which they were ordered by the courts to preserve, and claims it was an accident to delete porn from the computer of a top senior executive (mind you several computers and only those that had this evidence also had the porn???) makes you wonder. If you are unfamiliar with the history of the parent company, you really need to do that research. There are hundred of thousands of consumers on the mainland who probably now wished they weren’t so easily fooled by some low price marketing.

You can put a flowered shirt on a Cobra, but that doesn’t make it have aloha!

[peteadams]

I understand wanting to have some competition for Hawaiian and Aloha, but I also remember a television interview with the Go CEO when they were just starting where he said that they have "deep pockets" and were going to use them. Initially I thought that they were indicating that Go was able to weather low ridership or other startup problems as any new business must. Then they started and are continuing to maintain this series of cheap fares. According to one analysis I heard on NPR it costs the airlines about $50 a seat for interisland fares (lots of up and down that costs fuel). It seems evident that Go does not really want to compete. Rather it seems obvious now that Go simply wants to drive one of the other airlines, probably Aloha, out of business so it can be in a perfect position to drive prices right back to where they were before or higher. This isn't competition. This is an 800 pound gorilla smashing a little guy until he's dead. Combine that with the lawsuit by Aloha alleging Go is using inside information from its takeover deal in the campaign. Go probably knows to the month how much they have to spend to drive Aloha out of business.

[Beachboy]

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I just hope Go decides to give up on Hawaii before they cause anymore damage!

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Huh??? yeah right, I hate Go too! I'd much rather pay $90.00 one way between islands, and Go Airlines took that away from me...what the hell were they thinking with their "cheap seats"?

Handle every situation like a dog,If you can't eat it or hump it,piss on it and walk away...

[Beachboy]

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I understand wanting to have some competition for Hawaiian and Aloha, but I also remember a television interview with the Go CEO when they were just starting where he said that they have "deep pockets" and were going to use them. Initially I thought that they were indicating that Go was able to weather low ridership or other startup problems as any new business must. Then they started and are continuing to maintain this series of cheap fares. According to one analysis I heard on NPR it costs the airlines about $50 a seat for interisland fares (lots of up and down that costs fuel). It seems evident that Go does not really want to compete. Rather it seems obvious now that Go simply wants to drive one of the other airlines, probably Aloha, out of business so it can be in a perfect position to drive prices right back to where they were before or higher. This isn't competition. This is an 800 pound gorilla smashing a little guy until he's dead. Combine that with the lawsuit by Aloha alleging Go is using inside information from its takeover deal in the campaign. Go probably knows to the month how much they have to spend to drive Aloha out of business.

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Why would you call Aloha Airlines the little guy? We as consumers are the little guys!! Who was coming to our defense when Aloha & Hawaiian were raising their prices,..nobody that's who...and do you think either of those airlines cared that they put the squeeze on us? Once they did away with the discount coupon books I knew what their intentions were

Handle every situation like a dog,If you can't eat it or hump it,piss on it and walk away...

[Bob Orts]

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...what the hell were they thinking with their "cheap seats"?

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That people would follow the natural order of things and belief that the cheap prices will remain after they drive out competition. If you really believe that their low prices will remain and that you will not be subjected to fares three or four times above the highest fare now being paid, you are exactly what they hope people will think.

I'm not saying it will happen, I'm saying it is happening and has happened. There is absolutely nothing special about Hawaii or the people that will make a business change their marketing if it's successful. Only an educated consumer stands between their plans of shareholders’ profits.

[peteadams]

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We as consumers are the little guys!!

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Recently heard a fitting aphorism for us consumers: "Big fish eat little fish, little fish eat shrimp and shrimp eat mud."

Unless, as Bob points out, we are educated consumers, we will always eat mud in the face of whatever the vendor figures the market will bear.