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Oh my God, loffelkopffl...HAHAHA...Chop, Shoot, HEEEEE!!! You guys just crack me up!!
I think we should dump Gorilla Glue around the perimeter and catch 'em like the bugs that they are!!
We could just make a bi-weekly stop to pull of their wings!!
Oh man, it's early.
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woohoo
Can I just tell you how excited I am that I started one of the hottest discussions on this forum???
stef
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That is great Stef! I just read the hits for number of reads and wow. Lets just hope that the hits aren't the bad guys looking for clues eh! LOL
Perhaps you will copy paste and email this thread site to the authorities and the mayor so they might get a clue to what the climate in the subs is! Great we can get some voter registration going too!
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So I guess this got solved and no one's being robbed anymore.
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No one's getting robbed in my neighborhood. Everybody watches and pays attention.
I had a guy try to steal a 5 gal propane tank at 3 am a couple years back. A neighbor spotted him and chased his ass down the street!
When I moved in here in 94 I did a test... left a $30 tool and a six pack on my front steps and went away for two months. They were both there when I returned.
I like it here.
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Luckily in Florida, you are legally allowed to shot anyone who breaks into your home. And no jury in my town would ever convict anyone of protecting their property. If this is not the law in Hawaii, then we may have to give up our dream of living there one day and sell our lot. All people should be allowed to protect their homes and families, with any means available.
Sorry, Wendy, but in Hawaii you aren't allowed to shoot intruders in your house. You aren't allowed to shoot them out of your house, either.
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I am inexpert on this issue and have done no research but I would be VERY surprised if Hawaii did not permit the defense of self-defense when shooting an intruder. If I hear a human in my house at 3:00 a.m., and all humans are accounted for in the master bedroom, and if I believe (as most would) that I am in peril and I shoot in the general direction of the noise and hit my target, are you saying I would not have the right to defend myself, if charged, using the defense of self defense? I seriously doubt that. Of course, the difference in Florida is, if I understand it, that you have the right to shoot in defense of PROPERTY and not in defense of PERSON.
Well, I do hope we don't get to that point. What would be the point in living in Hawaii? Better weather, larceny assured? Doesn't sound that good to me.
We do need, as a community (and the community includes at the very least off island property owners) to understand what is at the heart of the increase in larceny and burglary (please don't call it robbery --robbery is when property is taken from your person by force or fear, burglary is entering a building with felonious intent, meaning to commit larceny (take something which is not yours)). Is it drugs? Is it cultural (a canoe was taken from Captain Cook and we all saw how that ended!)?
Of course, the chances of stopping the behavior that leads to larceny are very low, although I think we should try.
My guess is that the heart of the problem is the usual misplaced police priorities, and, in Puna especially, the lack of police period, together with some intractable cultural problems which I won't explore here.
I have never seen a police officer in Puna except at a traffic accident at Ainaloa and 130.
All it takes is or the community to insist that the number one crime issue (larceny) be made the number one priority. For example, have they ever done a stakeout at the Kehena Beach parking lot?
It would be so easy. A little time consuming, but easy.
Make the number one crime problem the number one priority.
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Well, when you stuff thieves into a trunk to "teach them a lesson", you are no longer acting in self defense. That's the problem. And you are not acting in self defense if the thieves run onto your property with no weapons and shout "I'm just here to steal your lawnmower -- don't be afraid of anything except losing your lawnmower!", unless a jury believes that under the circumstances you had a reasonable belief that you were in danger despite their assurances (an accomplice had a samurai sword and was brandishing it).
You can defend YOURSELF (but not your lawnmower) in my state. I'm pretty sure about that. Not sure about Hawaii...
Edited by - glen on 11/13/2007 06:59:28
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My cop friends (in multiple states) told me thusly...if someone is INSIDE your home, don't ask questions, shoot to kill and make sure they're dead. But none of them were HI law enforcement
Of course, they said getting a dog would be a huge deterrent in the first place.
I don't like violence, but I'll kill anyone who breaks into my house while I'm home. Too much scary crap could happen for me to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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I have a dumb question - when houses are broken into, what's the general mode of entry? Are thieves breaking windows, kicking in wood doors, picking locks? I'm thinking of ways to make the container house more secure - info will help head me in the right direction (steel door, bars on windows, dogs with friggin laser beams on their heads
etc...)
Edited by - hooligal on 11/13/2007 11:14:36
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