As gas price climb here in Puna & Hilo..

[Guest]

Coal?

Coal might work somewhat if you could remove the sulfur from it.

Otherwise, it's not a real clean solution.

Fossil fuels with sulfur in it aren't good for the environment. When they are burned, the sulfur mixes with the Oxygen in the air to create Sulfur Dioxide which is really bad.



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Edited by - damon on 12/15/2007 12:39:27

[mgeary]

My wife and I just ordered up a 2008 Toyota Prius, white, Package #4, it should be in next week.

http://www.hybridcars.com/compacts-sedan...rview.html

45-48 miles per gallon.
Yeah, baby, that's what I'm talkin' about. ;-)

How do I know?

[james weatherford]

Our good neighbors have a hybrid and seem pleased. We did (wink, wink) complain to them that when they went by our house there was no noise so that we are not able to keep up with their movements!

James Weatherford, Ph.D.
15-1888 Hialoa
Hawaiian Paradise Park

[Guest]

I like Prius's too.

There are reports that the Prius isn't as environmentally friendly as we may have been lead to believe.

If it's just too save gas money, they rock!

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[LeeE]

"Aptera-Gets up to 300 MPG!

http://aptera.com/about.php"

Wow, nice! Maybe the economics of scale will bring price of these types of vehicles down at some point?

Beautiful vehicle.

Does anybody know what percentage of our national oil usage is military or military related?

I think I read that Nanosolar is talking about the development of solar paint, to be used to power homes, cars, ect.

Democratizing the availability of energy sure would help out us featherless bipeds and the general neighborhood.

Aloha,
Lee
http://members.cruzio.com/~lionel/event

[Francesca]

We sold our car and use our truck as little as possible. We consolidate our errands, so that we don't go out multiple times per week and plan our route so that we use gas efficiently as possible.

As for other utilities, we turned off our water heater, which saves on propane and money (about $20 per month). The sun warms the water heater most days to at least luke warm. We save any way we can think of when it comes to water and electricity. We do lots of little things that add up.

[Kahunascott]

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My wife and I just ordered up a 2008 Toyota Prius, white, Package #4, it should be in next week.

http://www.hybridcars.com/compacts-
sedans/toyota-prius-overview.html

45-48 miles per gallon.
Yeah, baby, that's what I'm talkin' about. ;-)

How do I know?

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Have you done any research on how much energy and pollution it makes to produce your batteries?
And what do you do with them when they have to be replaced…off to the landfill?
Not to eco friendly in my book.

"Many dreams come true and some have silver linings, I look for my dreams and a pocket full of gold" Led Zeppelin

[Mahiai]

I was searching for info on oil and oil prices and came across this:

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/BreakingNews.html

Pretty scary stuff, some think we're heading for a depression.

[Tahunatics]

I tried warning people here about this 1-1/2 years ago. See here:

http://www.punaweb.org/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1663&FORUM_ID=2&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=The+Future+of+East+Hawaii&Forum_Title=A+Punaweb+Forum

Now it's mainstream news on the cover of the Wall Street Journal and Time magazine.

http://time-blog.com/curious_capitalist/..._here.html

http://tinyurl.com/3abrku

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB11937876...=sphere_ts

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB11954367...whats_news

Pacific Biodiesel in Maui will be offering Biodiesel soon to the Big Island.

http://www.biodiesel.com/

Driving a gas powered car in Hawaii is going to become totally unaffordable in a few years. We'll see $4 per gallon in 2008 with increases in food and electricity and decreases in tourism.

I would prefer to think positive, but all the positive thinking in the world isn't going to refill the oil reservoirs with that light sweet crude which is so easy to get and refine.

Edited by - Tahunatics on 12/20/2007 06:26:48

[mgeary]

KahunaScott said

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Have you done any research on how much energy and pollution it makes to produce your batteries?
And what do you do with them when they have to be replaced…off to the landfill?
Not to eco friendly in my book.

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I guess you can find a dark lining to any silver cloud.

For better or for worse, Hybrid vehicles are the replacement for the internal combustion engine, until hydrogen or whatever else comes along to replace Hybrid technology. In the meantime, I'm reducing the use of fossil fuels, reducing the impact on the global climate from fossil fuels, reducing the demand for foreign imports, reducing the demand for exploration and development in the Arctic National Wildlife Preserve.

Since the number of Hybrid vehicles will grow exponentially over the forseeable future, the positive thing to do is to work out the problems inherent in that technology, such as how to recycle the batteries, not take issue with the people who are moving in the right direction of reducing our carbon footprint rather than continuing to stick with 100-year-old, filthy, combustion engine technology.

Sheesh.

http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center-article_116/

http://www.sigmaautomotive.com/electroch...dpower.php

http://hybridreview.blogspot.com/2006/04...rowth.html

How do I know?