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Personally, I think guacamole is the avacado's only redeeming quality. Other than that, it is a foul thing that I have tried my hardest to like/get used to/something and it just makes me gag.
Also personally, I think that Anagami might just be one of those guys that gets on the forums and plants misinformation by telling you all the bad stuff about Hawaii to get you to not move there cuz he wants it all to himself. A lot of people do that, talking about the high prices, racism, bad education system and such. In fact a lot of people on this forum do that and now you've fed right into his hype and started defending Hawaii! Ha! You are now all exposed and it is clear that you love it! Warts and all!
When life gives you lemons....trade them for chocolate!
When life gives you lemons....trade them for chocolate!
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Originally posted by Anagami
Wow, if you guys think it is better in Puna then most places on the mainland you need to travel a bit more. Yes, I would take Hawaii over Berkeley and SF in a heartbeat. That is another pace that was infested with drugs and deluded people look what it turned into. I worked there for a year. Was nearly killed in an attempted car jacking in Richmond.
Oh, I forgot to mention the lack of health care here. [ ]
Do not follow a life of evil; do not live heedlessly; do not have false views; do not value worldly things. In this way one can get rid of suffering. - The Dhammapada
So you arrived here with some expectations and they were not fulfilled. That says as much about you and your expectations as it does about Puna. It also says a lot about your friends who obviously painted some kind of picture to get you here that was (by your account) less than accurate.
Maybe you need to move to Southern California and regain your sense of balance and rightness.I can't tell you what the buddha might have done, but I doubt he'd whine about it on an internet message board in an effort to shame Puna's inhabitants into agreeing that they are (by your account) somehow wrong.
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But it really bugs me when I see young kids, like 12 years old getting high at Kehena Beach with no adult caring or giving them guidance in the decision.
I just had to say one more thing. If you saw this and just let it happened and did nothing, you are part of the problem and have no right to complain about it. I do believe it takes a village to raise a child. You were an adult there, did you care or give them guidance in the decision?
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See and I had no idea that Anagami was a guy.
Just goes to show.... something? I dunno.
I however love avocados and tomatoes no matter how repulsive they are, and I will continue to try and do the same for Anagami.
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Anagami? Goodbye and good luck.
Digeridu? My wife snoring.
Guacamole? If it were president, I would work for impeachment.
Quit hating on the Guacamole[  !] I love the stuff [:p]
Sour cream on the other hand....[B)]
What were we talking about [ ]
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Originally posted by Anagami
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Punafish, Buddha would say "get away from that unhealthy place. They are interested only in external experiences and sensual delights.". I am not painting everyone with this image, but it is certainly the majority. A statement of reality is not a judgment....
Religion is subjective but I have a feelign Buddha would not have said that.
It is unfortunate that you feel like this area was such a negative experience. Puna is not for everyone, nor is Hawaii and I thank the gods that it isn't.
I just dont see the majority that you are seeing. And I truly feel sorry for you, for you have missed all the wonderful peices. The majority I see and I have been here a long time, are full of aloha, fairly positive, fights for their beliefs. We do have the problems you mentioned, drugs, vog, etc, as any where does and I too have been around the block so to speak. But if time and care are taken you will see the love in the sunrise, and the peace surronding our kapuna among a few choices. Have you been to the Puna Developement meetings - lots of caring people there - a couple even with dreadlocks. Or those who are workiing with the new Puna clinic.
Kehena is like going to Venice Beach in California. All the freaks hang out but it isnt representative of who we all are any more than Venice is the same as other parts of So Cal.
I am curious if you dislike being here so much - why you took the time to write instead of packing your bags and moving on? I don't see / understand what your intentions are.
The second truth is that suffering is caused by craving and aversion. We will suffer if we expect other people to conform to our expectation, if we want others to like us, if we do not get something we want,etc. In other words, getting what you want does not guarantee happiness. Rather than constantly struggling to get what you want, try to modify your wanting. Wanting deprives us of contentment and happiness. A lifetime of wanting and craving and especially the craving to continue to exist, creates a powerful energy which causes the individual to be born. So craving leads to physical suffering because it causes us to be reborn.
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So the original author of this is perhaps not a "perfect" Buddhist, but what he says is very true: Puna is down-trodden.
This thread reminds me very much of the one started by the banished PunaPeta where he spoke of Aloha vanishing, and then basically got "beat up" by so many people. Crucified I think I called it.
The natural beauty of this place is so incredible, but the people just ruin it. As a wise man once put it, "Pigs is Pigs".
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In retrospect, I’m thinking we all got trolled. Shame on us!!! [:0]
Upon reflection, I should never have posted a comment on this topic because it was really non-productive: if “origami” was trolling (thanks for that one, Glen [  ]) then we fed his/her desire to get a reaction; if origami wasn’t trolling, none of us had a chance of changing his/her opinion anyway. It was a pointless exercise in futility.
My post was obviously intended to point out the hypocrisy of saying you’re a Buddhist then trashing hippies with dreads and making other judgmental comments. Again my bad—who the hell am I to tell someone they’re a hypocrite...got way too many flaws of my own to work on.
The bottom line is, while the best course of action would have been to ignore the rant, if I absolutely HAD to say something, it should have been closer to Kapohocat’s comments above: What was the point of the rant (if not to troll)? And why NOT just pack up and quietly leave? Was it intended to rile us up? To get us to agree that Puna sucks so we all move back to the mainland? To stimulate spirited discussion on the pros and cons of living here? Yeah, Kapohocat really cut to the chase on this one…very incisive.
Ah, reflection is such a beautiful thing. Thanks origami!
Aloha,
Tim (happily “sequestered” in Hawaiian Shores)
Tim
A superior man is modest in his speech, but exceeds in his actions--Confucius
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Gee, and here I was considering buying in Hawaiian Beaches! LOL
Some people can be happy anywhere, some people will not be happy regardless of where they go!
I am a mainlander - flatlander by birth, living on the NJ shore now. Statistics show that 80% of the entire U.S. is considered rural. Up until 10 years ago when I left my midwestern roots for the East Coast, *I* had to drive 45 minutes to get to a "real" grocery store. We didn't have DSL, cable internet, natural gas heat, etc. Yeah, on the mainland - IMAGINE! LOL
I put up with dreadlocked teen-aged skateboarders riding up and down my driveway every day after school. Their parents even DRIVE them there, yet there is an "official" skateboard park just 5 minutes way.
My house burned several years ago. Before it was repaired, I had windows shot out (within the city limits and across from a grade school, mind you), rocks and bricks thrown through the windows and they even started tearing cement blocks off my retaining walls.
Did I mention I live on the MAINLAND??? In a very upscale area??<smirk>
I live in a shore town where in the summer, all the BENY's (nasty NY and NNJ tourists) come down to party, get drunk, piss in the streets, puke on the sidewalks, throw trash and beer bottles all over the place and basically raise hell until the wee hours of the night.
Did I mention I live on the MAINLAND? <smirk>
I guess "new age hippies" (can we say 2nd gen DeadHeads?? - Go Jerry!) have their place as do the "original 60's hippies and 50's beatniks (and all those other no-conformists throughout the ages.) Everything old is new again. And again, and again, and again . . .
Crime - heh - did I mention I live in NJ, where the city of Camden has lead the country for what, 100 years as the most crime ridden city? It is run by 30-something drug lords. The mayor could not even bribe developers to come in, tear down crack houses and take the lots for FREE with rebated RE taxes for 10-20 years.
And, btw, growing up "rural" in the midwest on a mini farm, we had the BEST pot, BEST access to drugs, teenage sex, etc etc etc - in 1970!!!
So, as I see it, paradise is where you find it. EVERY PLACE has drawbacks along with the benefits - too far, too rural, too close, too fast-paced, too slow-paced, etc.
Paradise is the people you meet, the life you live, the family you raise and who has raised you, the mark you make in the work, even if it is just a dot.
I look forward to my next move to "paradise" being in Hawaii. I have always lived in paradise, because I have always lived where I chose too.
Mahalo - Toriluve
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